[G&Co.]

I wonder how long it would take the average teenager to figure out they can bypass this device in 30 seconds or less. As the video shows, no tools required.
I know my kid would have figured that out before I was done installing it

 

[Arelia]

Your example uses 12 LPM, which equals 3.17 GPM.

Shower heads in the US have been limited to 2.5 GPM for the last 30 years. WaterSense is 2.0 GPM or less. Many are 1.5 GPM or less.

One could put on a cheap $20 shower head or even a high end $200 shower head with a 1.5 gpm flow and still come out ahead of your calculations.

thanks for this info , regarding your comment I must say this function reducing the water flow is already included in the Acqua Tempus : it has a pipe inside which is smaller than the usual shower hoses and therefore the water flow is reduced by about 15% comparing it with a normal shower. In fact , some customers in some way complain when it is just installed saying that the water flow is too low; after a while, they get used to showering with this low flow.

In addition to this: in your last post, you are not considering a very important factor: TIME , which is very well controlled by this and other shower timers. In fact, they are called shower timers cause they control TIME.

kind regards,

 

[Joe Fairplay]

the price of each Kwh is now in Europe around 0,35€ + VAT which makes 0,42€ per Kwh;

Besides over inflating the flow rate of showers, he also claimed costs of .42 per Kwh in Europe while the actual is .236

 

[Joe Fairplay]

Hi Joe
I am going to math the numbers your are asking for:
Let's say you have one son, just one, and he takes 20 minute showers, and the faucet's flow is 12 litres/min; This means 240 litres of water per shower. 50% of it is hot water, therefore: 120 litres ... the price of each Kwh is now in Europe around 0,35€ + VAT which makes 0,42€ per Kwh ... therefore, the cost of energy with electricity for each 20 minute shower will be around 3,28€ (3,50$)

I challenged your claim that it pays for itself in 4 months. ($100 savings per month)
As the chart below shows, that claim is at least a whopping 270% inflated.

Your not just being bragados or stretching the truth, you are in triple liar territory.
You can't claim it costs $92 per month per son when the actual costs would be $39. That is wholly dishonest.

As Denver Country Boy already mentioned, a $8 low flow shower head from Home Depot would be a better alternative. Put em on a 1.5 flow head and let him stay in there until he wrinkles.

Claims vs Actual

 

[G&Co.]

Hey, I've got a better idea. How about saving money on the TIMER in addition to the water savings?
And if you're the kind of cruel parent who likes to aggravate his children, you can turn the water off while they are showering, from your phone. All that for $39.99 and free shipping:

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[G&Co.]

And while we're considering practical aspects, this is shown with a slide bar. What happens if the shower has a fixed head, let's say a rain head?

 

[Arelia]

I wonder how long it would take the average teenager to figure out they can bypass this device in 30 seconds or less. As the video shows, no tools required.
I know my kid would have figured that out before I was done installing it

hi there, thanks for this comment: Acqua Tempus brings in the box a security seal to block the hose connected to the tap; once it is sealed as in the picture, if someone wants to bust it, will need a hammer and a screw driver; if the teenager does get to beat it, then we have a stronger security seal , which must be blocked with a keylock; this is not included in the original pack, it is an extra that must be paid in addition; The thing is that in 2 years of Acqua Tempus being sold, we have never been asked for this extra security seal.

anyway, thanks for your objection, I hope this makes it a bit clearer
have a nice week end

 

[Arelia]

I challenged your claim that it pays for itself in 4 months. ($100 savings per month)
As the chart below shows, that claim is at least a whopping 270% inflated.

Your not just being bragados or stretching the truth, you are in triple liar territory.
You can't claim it costs $92 per month per son when the actual costs would be $39. That is wholly dishonest.

As Denver Country Boy already mentioned, a $8 low flow shower head from Home Depot would be a better alternative. Put em on a 1.5 flow head and let him stay in there until he wrinkles.

Claims vs Actual
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This "lying shyster" must warn you are using 2021 energy prices; this shyster must remind you that energy prices in 2022 have little to do with those in 2021 here in Spain, in the UK or in the US
Besides to this, you are not taking into account the water bill.
Put it all together and you will find out.
Best regards from this lying shyster

 

[Arelia]

And while we're considering practical aspects, this is shown with a slide bar. What happens if the shower has a fixed head, let's say a rain head?

hi again, we are working on it; there is a new Acqua Tempus , PARED model for built in showers; it is being designed by our engineers, it will be ready for the market after summer.
thx

 

[Joe Fairplay]

This "lying shyster" must warn you are using 2021 energy prices; this shyster must remind you that energy prices in 2022 have little to do with those in 2021 here in Spain, in the UK or in the US
Besides to this, you are not taking into account the water bill.
Put it all together and you will find out.
Best regards from this lying shyster

You lying piece of **** shyster.
As of February 2022, the highest electricity rate in Europe was in Greece at 211.7 per megawatt hour.
1 megawatt hour = 1,000 kw/h
211.7 per megawatt = .21 per kw/h
I even gave you a break and used .23 in my chart.
You claimed 12 lt/m faucet flow when it is 9.4 lt/m.
You claim .42 costs per kw/h when it's .21 per kw/h.
That is not just over estimating. That is straight up fraud.

 

[VinylHanger]

I think the problem is you are preaching to the wrong audience.

We don't want to or care about living like some European dystopian world where we time ourselves taking a shower.

Most of us have plenty of water. In fact most of us take the restrictors out of our fixtures.

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[Arelia]

I think the problem is you are preaching to the wrong audience.

We don't want to or care about living like some European dystopian world where we time ourselves taking a shower.

Most of us have plenty of water. In fact most of us take the restrictors out of our fixtures.

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Are you sure!???
As time goes by, we get more and more orders from the US and Canadá ; in southern states as CA, TX, NM, I have heard there is a permanet drought and water is quite expensive.
regards

 

[Arelia]

You lying piece of **** shyster.
As of February 2022, the highest electricity rate in Europe was in Greece at 211.7 per megawatt hour.
1 megawatt hour = 1,000 kw/h
211.7 per megawatt = .21 per kw/h
I even gave you a break and used .23 in my chart.
You claimed 12 lt/m faucet flow when it is 9.4 lt/m.
You claim .42 costs per kw/h when it's .21 per kw/h.
That is not just over estimating. That is straight up fraud.

Hi again, this the "Lying shyster"
I am enclosing this link, where it says that in London they have been paying far more than what you mention: " The highest price is in London, 43 eurocents per kilowatt-hour "
Link: What are current household electricity prices in 33 European countries?

To this peak price, any person with a bit of fiscal culture would easily know that electricity, gas, etc.... have taxes on its basic price: in Spain 21% VAT, same as France, UK, Germany etc... in Denmark it is 25% VAT; that makes things a lot worse.
Right know, electricity is about 20 cents of €, plus taxes, wait till winter comes with the Russian agression going on....
And last, I would suggest you to learn a bit of politeness, it is always welcome and even more in a public forum, therefore more people will post their opinion
have a nice week end and get relaxed
Regards from a shyster.

 

[Joe Fairplay]

Hi again, this the "Lying shyster"
I am enclosing this link, where it says that in London they have been paying far more than what you mention: " The highest price is in London, 43 eurocents per kilowatt-hour "
Link: What are current household electricity prices in 33 European countries?

To this peak price, any person with a bit of fiscal culture would easily know that electricity, gas, etc.... have taxes on its basic price: in Spain 21% VAT, same as France, UK, Germany etc... in Denmark it is 25% VAT; that makes things a lot worse.
Right know, electricity is about 20 cents of €, plus taxes, wait till winter comes with the Russian agression going on....
And last, I would suggest you to learn a bit of politeness, it is always welcome and even more in a public forum, therefore more people will post their opinion
have a nice week end and get relaxed
Regards from a shyster.

Stop being a clown.
So now you have to live in London to save $100 a month?
We have to wait for winter for our $100 month savings?
We have to rely on "Russian Aggression" to save $100 a month?

You didn't say if you live in London during Russian Aggression and wait for the winter to come, you might save $100.
You said it pays for itself in 4 months with just one son taking a 20 minute shower.

I used the European average price for energy since you are marketing the product across all of Europe not just in London.
Obviously a more than fair way to assess your over the top claims.

Anyone living anywhere else in Europe or USA can use the average price and can see you are lying.

 

[Tinstaafl]

Joe, you've made your point; please tone it down. Be aware that we have rules against name-calling.

 

[Joe Fairplay]

Joe, you've made your point; please tone it down. Be aware that we have rules against name-calling.

I am done.
I apologize to the group for my indiscretion.

 

[Mordekyle]

Everything okay, Joe?

You seem a bit agitated.


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[Joe Fairplay]

Everything okay, Joe?

You seem a bit agitated.


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I appreciate you asking.
I am going to be ok.

 

[KAP]

I appreciate you asking.
I am going to be ok.

 

[Joe Fairplay]

Everything okay, Joe?
You seem a bit agitated.

I am not going to respond to this thread anymore as it has already been pointed out that I have exhausted this dead horse.

I did get a bit agitated when he continue to stretch the truth once he got caught out.

I have a problem with eco warrior companies that claim you can help save the planet while also saving tons of money. Reality is that you will either get one or the other, typically not both at once.

It's the same with the solar industry, it can show benefits in the right situations but it is sold as a one size fits all, put this on your roof and the electric company will pay you every month for power instead of you paying them.

Name a product on the market that you pay $400 for and it saves you $1,200 year over year? I want to consider such things.

An honest or even a conservative estimation of the product would show it could have a benefit to some households. Why not just be honest about it instead?

If I told you I have a device that in some situations could save you $30 a month, will pay for itself in little over a year and could save you up to $400 every year after? That sounds like something I might want to look into. Sounds like a good deal for select households. A perfectly reasonable proposition to explore.

What is not reasonable is making unverified claims of grandeur when the reality falls far short of the claims. Making bogus claims about flow rates and energy costs to derive your grandeur savings is when you cross the line from over estimation to purposeful misdirection.

The final nail in the coffin was when I asked for the data behind the claim and it was not already prepared. Anyone making such claims should already have a chart, a breakdown or a data sheet that proves the claims. That is how science and math work.

The fact they did not have verifiable real world numbers and instead tried to make general claims of if this, if that and if the this and that did this or that then this would happen, is when you know he's pulling crap out of his crap sandwich and trying to make you eat it.

And that pisses me off.