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cheap assed competition

I'm bidding a job with a mudpan shower, tile floors and a tile tub surround. My competitor bid the tilejob at 4.50 a SF and said it INCLUDES THE TILE!!!!
:laughing::cry::laughing::cry::laughing:
I told the homeowner I wouldn't pay anyone 4.50 a SF to tile a shower in my house, let alone a tax paying american that needs to cover his overhead and make a modest profit. Anyway, luckily the HO isn't totaly shopping price so I still got the job.
 
I'm bidding a job with a mudpan shower, tile floors and a tile tub surround. My competitor bid the tilejob at 4.50 a SF and said it INCLUDES THE TILE!!!!
Hey guys, I just stumbled on this forum while checking Google search stats on my website! Ha,ha. Hey Bill V., hey Bud Cline. Nice to see you guys here, and I'm sure there are others on here too.

You can be sure this guy is not a professional tile guy. He is probably a "handyman" who thinks he knows how to do a tile job (or, could be Amish?). I've been running into way to many of these people in NE Ohio recently, and it's ruining the business here. Cheap prices, and crappy work.

I haven't raised my prices in a couple of years (but I should ... high price of gasoline, heating oil, electricity...even food is going up!) I have a basic labor rate of $3.75 SF for floor jobs, for tile installation only, not CBU (but I don't even give it to a customer...I only use it in my calculations). I will usually raise that to $4/sf if I think the job warrants it, and diagonal layout, patterns add $1/sf each.

My last couple of tile shower stalls, including mud pan, I did for $3,000 with a Better-Bench in one corner, and two small corner caddy soap dishes. 8"x10" on one, and 10"x14" tile on another. These were both tub replacements, so the showers were about 36"x60". I didn't do any tear-out. Tear-out is extra, IF I do it.

Because of the number of cheap so-called "tile installers" around here lately, I may have to get out of the business. It just hasn't been as good as it once was. I used to have work stacked up six weeks in advance.

One floor job I bid recently, at very reasonable prices (using my $3.75/sf and $1.25/sf for CBU installation basic rates for calculations, plus all materials and no extras) the guy told my supplier, where he was buying the tile, that I was WAY too high priced, and he didn't know how I was able to get any work! Well, I don't know who else bid his job, but it had to be a "handyman" type.

This guy thought a carpenter who was going to remove and re-install his front door (needed to be raised to accomodate the tile) for only $300 was pretty high too. Give me a break!

Too many hacks out there!
 
Bill, I'm sorry to hear that. Sounds pretty ridiculous to me. WHy work for that kind of money when you cnould go onto someone else's payrool, make the same money, and not have any of the responsibility!! Screw that!!

I know you told me before, but refresh my memory-- where abouts are you?
 
Very Helpful

Just been reading this thread and want to thank everyone. It's very helpful. I'm just getting started and have done a couple of tile jobs but still don't have much experience figuring out how long things might take me and how much to charge. I just gave a quote today for a shower and bathroom floor which I thought seemed very high. After reading this thread it looks like I'm not far off.

So Thanks!
 
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