[Ckconst]

I will have to try that from my computer as the only attachments that I can get from my iPhone are pictures, not a PDF

 

[Ckconst]

here is the pdf i was sent

 

[DuMass]

I don’t have a stake in this debate one way or the other, but I honestly don’t see anything in that .PDF that specifically states they are actually approved for use in any particular location, but the last sentence on the Certificate of Listing indicates that you would need to check with the AHJ regarding acceptance.

“This listing is subject to the conditions set forth in the characteristics below and is not to be construed as any recommendation, assurance or guarantee by IAPMO Research and Testing, Inc. of the product acceptance by Authorities Having Jurisdiction.”

 

[angus242]

I don’t have a stake in this debate one way or the other, but I honestly don’t see anything in that .PDF that specifically states they are actually approved for use in any particular location, but the last sentence on the Certificate of Listing indicates that you would need to check with the AHJ regarding acceptance.

“This listing is subject to the conditions set forth in the characteristics below and is not to be construed as any recommendation, assurance or guarantee by IAPMO Research and Testing, Inc. of the product acceptance by Authorities Having Jurisdiction.”

Agreed.

 

[Ckconst]

Guys,

I specifically emailed an specifically asked if the sharkbite fittings were approved for use under the Chicago plumbing code. They responded that the fittings were not only approved under the Chicago plumbing code, but also the Illinois plumbing code. I can't see why they would answer my email back and say they were if they were not? What would they gain by lying to me, someone who they do not know?

 

[angus242]

What would they gain by lying to me, someone who they do not know?

Sales, my man. Sales!

You did come to a contractor forum and re-quote what they said...without any concrete proof as in an amendment from the Chicago Plumbing Code.

 

[Ckconst]

I didn't know I had to have proof of anything? What I quoted was a specific question to a manufacturer asking them if their fittings were approved for use under the Chicago plumbing code. I am not saying I know the code inside and out, but j would assume that what he sent me can be verified against both the Chicago and Illinois plumbing code as certain fittings that have certifications for use under the codes. I will try and get in contact with someone for both the Chicago and Illinois plumbing codes to see if they are in fact approved for use. But again, I can't see why they would outright lie or try to be deceiving about it. I was very specific with my question and left no room for vagueness. I have been a land developer/builder for the last 18 years so I am the farthest from being naive about sales, products, etc. In fact, I am probably more cynical than most when it comes to pitches, sales, etc. Common sense would tell me that he has nothing to gain by lying about something that can be checked, and that he would be putting his company, a very large company, at risk by his actions. Not saying it can't happen, just unlikely. I will get the "concrete evidence", not because of this thread, but really for my own knowledge.

 

[angus242]

Ck, you're getting defensive for little reason. I'm not questioning you. I'm questioning the info passed to you.

Hell, I've had Liquid Nails tell me it's OK and "certified" to install tile with :laughing:

 

[Ckconst]

Not defensive at all. Have seen plenty of different forums, whether contractors, fishing, sports, etc where people are attacked for their opinions

If you knew me, you would know that I am the type of guy that would rather laugh and have a beer than argue. Life is too short. Just realized in my life that is ok to have a different opinion than the masses and to respect everyone for their own ideas/opinions.

 

[txgencon]

...it's not exactly rocket surgery.

I love mixed metaphors.

 

[Remodelor]

They serve their purpose.

Sure beats trying to burn an old house down when you can't get at something.

Who would plumb a whole house in them?

Besides that, who could afford to plumb a whole house in them?

 

[Tom Struble]

i don't understand why the guys that hate them only use them in difficult situations or even use them at all? that seems pretty dumb to me

 

[Tinstaafl]

Heck, I don't hate them. But I don't use them, either. :laughing:

 

[ApgarNJ]

i don't understand why the guys that hate them only use them in difficult situations or even use them at all? that seems pretty dumb to me

I think the guys that hate them, hate them for doing permanent work. I see no reason to hate them for temporary caps/unions. I will be anxious to see any of the whole house jobs start to leak all over in the next few decades. If not sooner.

 

[Tom Struble]

but Dan temporary or not if there going to definitely leak why would anyone trust them,even a temporary fitting that leaks will cause alot of damage and for use in hard to access areas the use of them sounds even more ludicrous

 

[ApgarNJ]

Tom, because they aren't going to LEAK right away, could take several years or decades even for a potential problem to show up.

I'm talking about a bathroom gut, where I can drain the lines, cut the old out, cap with shark bites, turn the water on. The next day or so, plumber sweats in his new valves, etc. I trust them enough that they will not leak for a short term solution.

make sense?

 

[Tom Struble]

i guess... they are good ...but not that good

 

[Ckconst]

guys,

I emailed the makers of sharkbite and asked them for more specific information regarding their approved use under the illinois and chicago plumbing codes. They emailed me a pdf attachment that is a letter from the illinois department of public health stating that the valves and fittings are approved for use in Illinois, as of 2007. So they have been approved for use in illinois for more than 6 years. Here is a copy of the email correspondance and I also attached a copy of the pdf:



Matt,

I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. With the recent tornadoes in Alabama power has been sporadic. However, were back in business now. I attached a letter from the IL Dept. of Health stating SharkBite® fittings are permitted in the state of Illinois. Our fittings are marked accordingly to comply with ASSE standards. The same applies for the City of Chicago as they comply with Illinois code. Please let me know if I can help you with anything else.



Thanks,



Ben Wertz

Cash Acme

A Division of the Reliance Worldwide Corporation

Ph: (205) 803-4516







From: matt klabisch
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 5:23 PM
To: Ben Wertz; John Brill; John Brill
Subject: Fw: code










----- Forwarded Message ----
From: matt klabisch
To: Ben Wertz
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 7:11:39 AM
Subject: Re: code

ben,



Thanks for the response and the attachment. I was hoping you could help me out and be a little more specific in showing me how/where the fittings are approved for use under both codes ( maybe reference me specifically to where in both codes the fittings are referenced) I have a few jobs coming up in both the city of Chicago and villages that fall under the state code and I would like to be prepared to handle any questions with the inspectors during the permit/plan stages, as I know I have asked quite a few plumbers and they did not think the fittings were approved for use under either of the codes. Any help/direction is truly appreciated


Thanks,

Matt Klabisch











--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Ben Wertz
To: matt klabisch
Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 10:37:34 AM
Subject: RE: code

Matt,



SharkBite® push fittings are certified under the Illinois and Chicago plumbing code. Attached is our current IAPMO certification listing.



Thanks,



Ben Wertz



Cash Acme

A Division of the Reliance Worldwide Corporation

Ph: (205) 803-4516

 

[Grumpyplumber]

Comparing a rubber fuel line to a seal thats made on a potable water system with an O-ring that's roughly 1/8" thick is nuts.

When the fuel line goes, it leaks onto the ground with little harm more than some dissolved pavement, I've spliced a couple in my time on vehicles less than ten years old when the rubber begins to dry and crack.

Just look at a toilet flapper after five to ten years, the way the rubber stains your hand after a few years of exposure to chemically treated drinking water.

When the rubber flapper goes, you replace it.

When the rubber seals go in a faucet, you replace them.

When the rubber seal starts to go in a valve, you tighten the packing nut.

When the 1/8" O-ring goes on those Sharkbites inside a wall, you're screwed.

 

[ChrWright]

:laughing: