No batteries, Tesla's are great for off grid, but they are very pricey, when they drop in price for folks going off grid they will be the standard.

Today with net metering in most states and 30% tax credit its a big biz esp in NY & CA. Nice seeing a meter go backwards :thumbup:

This build is being design as a "net zero" passive home, in fact there will not be any need for heat, but building code requires it and A/C will be nice from time time.

A 9,000 mini split will be over sized in this 1550' 1.5 story design

A 4K grid tied array will be installed and all excess will be sold back to GA power at about .13

The purpose of this high deck is the mountain views are great.

 

If the meter goes in reverse, power Co loses money, rate goes up for the rest of us.

Don't seem all that nice to Me.

J.

 

Power Co uses less resources to meet its power needs, they reduce their carbon foot print.......

Think green

 

I............ HATE............. Green.

Put that carbon foot print where the sun don't shine.

J.

 

If you can figure out a way to harness the energy created by people walking across decks then you've got something with this crowd

Fyi, Trex decking is 95% 'green' I'm doing my part....it's all these guys tearing down the rain forests to get their ipe you need to work on - I tie my business to a bunch of grocery bags

 

I tie my business to a bunch of grocery bags

They're imposing a 10 cent tax on each plastic bag in one city up here, and others are looking at it.

 

Just as a side note,

and my favorite past time ranking trex the most ungreen product ever after counting in all it's product now residing in the land fills of the world where said product came from in the beginning.

Moisture Shield gets it's " plastic " from the coating on Styrofoam.

JonMon www.deckmastersllc.com

 

No wonder my customers think it looks horrible. Can't stand the look of MS. It's as pretty as Evergrain that I have to use on mobilehomes. I tried to sell it but my customers were completely turned off by it once they saw the capstock out there.

 

I think Jimbo's tripping over dollars to pick up dimes. If he's doing the whole house there's tens of thousands at a minimum involved and as SFO pointed out, an engineer could offer some good advice for a few hundred bucks.

The money saved is not worth the headache of wondering 'Did I do it right?' and the liability if it goes south.

 

All their trucks are bio diesel as well. They have no smoke stacks in their plant. It's by choice too .The Government isn't mandating them or subsidizing. Agree with it or not it's what they choose to do.
It's a great example of allowing profit to be made with the green movement. It's the only way it will work long term in this country.

 

How do they vent the furnace that melts the plastic with out " smoke stacks " ?

J.

 

ECO-FRIENDLY MANUFACTURING

Trex’s proprietary, eco-friendly processing method eliminates the use of smoke stacks . Also, our factory runoff and refuse are recycled back into the manufacturing line. Our trailers even run on vegetable-based oil hydraulics.

http://www.trex.com/why-trex/how-to-choose-a-deck/eco-friendly-decking/

 

https://youtu.be/kkUfo7iNXT0

 

If they power up the heat with electrical there would be no " smoke stacks " like they were burning coal or the like. Same with natural gas in the true sense but the heat has to be vented through something to somewhere .

Interesting read on seed based hydraulic fluid. Trex buddies at Exxon are into it, what a surprise !, still it was a new concept to Me. It's not a direct replacement for several reasons but still has it's place and is good PR.

Thanks !!!

J.

 

Trex has nothing to do with Exxon. You're just full of a lot of misinformation aren't you?

 

I've been to the winchester plant, really neat operation. Who knew there are different grades of plastic bags?!

 

So if Exxon /Mobil never owned trex, there could never have been a law action between the two after the sale of the co to trex in 2002 .

That right Mike ?

 

Not true, if mobile sold the company that then became Trex how could it be that Exxon was ever Trex?

Roger Wittenberg combined sawdust and plastic bags to create park benches and, later, decking[4]1996Mobil Chemical Co. acquired Wittenberg’s technology and later that same year Trex Company LLC was formed after a buyout of the Mobil division that owned the technology[4]

Mobile was NEVER TREX it just owned the technology that was bought by a company named Trex.



If you knew anything about buying companies (or technology) you would understand that you not only get the assets you also have to take the liabilities. Fortunately a jury found all claims against Trex and patent infringements to be false.

 

The Trex name wasn't even known until after it was no longer affiliated with mobile.

 

Mike don't make me do this.

J.

 

Dude I have no control over anything you do. And I don't care.

 

http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/234/572/2513230/


They bought it true. Who owned it ? exxon. So exxon owned what became trex is that what your saying ? Your just arguing about words.

Ghesssssssssssss

J.

 

That's important. Trex had nothing to do with Exxon or mobile

With the exception of buying the technology. But they never were a partner whatsoever

 

Here's the first paragraph. It only proves my point.

In this diversity declaratory judgment action, the parties to a transaction involving the sale of a business dispute whether a particular patent infringement suit is a liability retained by the seller or one assumed by the purchaser

 

Gheeeeeesh. Yeah. Never heard of any argument that wasn't about words. :laughing:

 

Arguments , with any one else, is about Facts.

I am done with Ya.

J.

 

Of course, I'd be done too if I was you.

 

3rd story deck as per se a deck is off the build,

figured a way to make a 3rd story deck out a flat roof,
this will join the 2nd story deck via a stair.

It looks a hell of a lot better.

the SIPS deck ledger is built by placing a 2 by on the outside and another on the inside wall (6 1/5 " thick) thru bolted or lags.

 

the SIPS deck ledger is built by placing a 2 by on the outside and another on the inside wall (6 1/5 " thick) thru bolted or lags.

:thumbsup: Any tie in to the floor system?

 

I don't really see how putting another ledger inside the SIP would improve the shear rating substantially. It's still just ply on the outsides.

 

Actually it does, but the way it has to be done is ridiculous. Lags don't count. Only through bolts. The whole can be no bigger than the bolt (5/8" most likely) but cannot tear out any material in the process of putting it in, did I mention it has to be plumb and level? 1/16" either way in 1' Not to mention it has to be a nylock nut or a split washer on another washer with the main washer being like 7 times the size of the width of the bolt (or something like that).

This is how it was explained to me by an architect down here who is really good but really anal on facts. So I said, "so we should come up with a different way". And we prceeded to bicker like a couple of old hens for a wasted hour.

 

Don't you guys work? How can you have all this time for internet poop?

 

Ive got IBS, spend a lot of time in the crapper.

 

Killer, where you been?

 

working

 

Here's a short article on 2nd floor framing and SIPs................

Second floor options and sealing rim joists

The standard technique to second floor framing in many SIP two-story houses is the conventional approach: place floor joists and a rim along the top of SIP walls and then deck them over, per standard platform framing. This works okay. However, realize you then need to air-seal and insulate the rim system carefully or it will be just as leaky as it is in standard 2x construction. Furthermore, in cold climates you should apply an air barrier on the inside of the insulation (inside each floor joist cavity) in order to prevent migration of water vapor through the insulation and out to the cold rim where it can condense and cause cosmetic and structural problems such as peeling paint and rot.

The best way to achieve this insulation/air barrier system at the rim is to spray at least one inch of expansive urethane foam against the inside of the rim joist. In fact, you should do this around the basement rim as well (unless you're using a SIP floor over a crawl space). You don't need to hire someone to spray this foam; you can purchase a large foam pack with two-part urethane that can be applied by anyone who understands the concept behind your air barrier system. The foam might cost $200 or more per house.

For the second floor of a two-story, here's a viable alternative: order 10-foot tall wall panels and hang your second floor off the top plate with top-flange joist hangers. This provides you with an insulated rim-the panel-and makes it a snap to air-seal this traditionally leaky site. If you can install a continuous I-joist material from one side to the other-with or without mid-span support-this approach also provides an elegant way to stiffen your entire structure. However, it also requires a little extra planning when it comes to wiring your second floor. (See "Wiring" section.)

 

When you make the walls in two parts 1st fl 2nd fl, you create thermal bridging.

It is more energy efficient to go 17-20 high one panel

 

No doubt about that but it does raise the question of how the 2nd floor is going to be supported. Do you have a detail on that you could share?