[RobertCDF]

What's the length of time/track record for that method? I haven't seen it.

I've never seen anyone else do it either, we started doing it in 2009 I think.

We do a lot of things that no one else does... yet...

 

[Calidecks]

I've never seen anyone else do it either, we started doing it in 2009 I think. We do a lot of things that no one else does... yet...

We do it now too, just haven't done it yet. :laughing:

 

[RobertCDF]

We do it now too, just haven't done it yet. :laughing:

I expect 10% of the labor money you save as a result...

 

[bbgcarpentry]

I respect your expertise John, but I'm confused as to why pre-finishing would be a bad idea . The board is sealed on all 4 sides in a controlled environment with ideal conditions. Just like siding which isn't back primed, cupping is more likely when only finished on 3 or less sides. The decking importer recommends a 4 sided finish with waxed ends. The dude abides. The subfloor adhesive holds, big time. Maybe not that voc compliant Home Depot junk. I use the stuff that makes you light headed indoors, you can't scrape it off cleanly if you get some on the surface. As for the joints, I figure a biscuit is better than none at all. It at least keeps them flush, and before this, closed tight. Im glad to hear it only moves majorly once. Thanks

I've done to decks in ipe with miter joints with and without biscuits let's see how they do in toronto Canada il inspect in the spring.interesting thread,I do try a herringbone with butt joints when ican.

 

[bbgcarpentry]

Hello All... here’s my 2cents. never never never seal all four sides .period. biscuits are ok but you know I just can’t resist the Festie domino with there african mahogany wold of have the best. Hahaha. I’m with Cali on the FYI on Joints to customers. I’m with Jon on all of it. Especially the glue and sand with magic dust. Take apart and round over with 1/8 put it back with a gap of 1/8 - 3/16. Never leave a tight joint they only last about day or two. Or you can be like me no huss no fuss and just don’t bother doing miters. That’s right no miters. Imagine that. We square off single or double picture frame on composite, and exotics or no pict frame at all Good Luck New Guy:thumbsup:

I think that is the way to go here here

 

[redwood]

Personally, I think that it comes down to educating the customer ahead of time. Exterior products move more then interior products. We can't control nature, only do the best we can.

I hate seeing end grain, so I do whatever is necessary to hide it, whether it's a miter, picture frame, or trim.

 

[fjn]

Here is a response from Finehome Building,it is the nature of the beast.


http://www.finehomebuilding.com/how-to/qa/why-miter-joints-open-up.aspx

 

[fjn]

Decking laying flat to the Sun/Rain.

Water gets in from the top,is blocked on the bottom. Warpo city This has been common knowledge for years.
Many suppliers will tell you to prefinish and use the thinned down wax.Total Bunk ,Bogus, BS. They sell the wax and the finish. The wax will melt out quickly and not give any protection to the exposed area.

J.

The only way I know of to truly seal end grain is to use a consolidation material. Abatron is one company that makes it,I'm sure there are many others.

 

[John Hyatt]

TB 111 will seal up endgrain for a very long time.

My point is an outside joint will stay put or move on it's own nature. The plate jointing will not help or hinder or make any difference one way or the other, it will just line up one side.

Now a spline joint made from similar material will strengthen up a miter big time using a high grade glue like TB111.


J.

 

[asevereid]

Got a bunch of time to invest in your next picture frame build?
Give this a shot...the technique isn't shown step by step, but it may work:
http://www.thisiscarpentry.com/2010/04/30/curtis-mitertite-joint/#more-3315

EDIT: There is a follow up article:http://www.thisiscarpentry.com/2010/08/06/homemade-mitertite-joinery/#more-4219

 

[hdavis]

I think I'd try a half lap miter first and glue it.

 

[gbruzze1]

Personally, I think that it comes down to educating the customer ahead of time. Exterior products move more then interior products. We can't control nature, only do the best we can.

I hate seeing end grain, so I do whatever is necessary to hide it, whether it's a miter, picture frame, or trim.

Did you tell her about the shrinkage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEnKLhi83J8

 

[Leo G]

There's shrinkage?

 

[Tom Struble]

I've never seen anyone else do it either, we started doing it in 2009 I think.

We do a lot of things that no one else does... yet...

i done that...:whistling

 

[John Hyatt]

I do that as well.

Endgrain trim. Usually 1 1/2 '' rips of the decking with a router detail. The skirting bumps it leaving a sight reveal .

I am perplexed by the framing blocks on the rim. That I don't do.

J.

 

[RobertCDF]

I do that as well.

Endgrain trim. Usually 1 1/2 '' rips of the decking with a router detail. The skirting bumps it leaving a sight reveal .

I am perplexed by the framing blocks on the rim. That I don't do.

J.

The blocks are what I'd call a cheap helper, they hold it in place while you work down the board and they don't talk back and break tools like employees.

Sometimes I miss doing wood for the simple fact of being able to use a router.

 

[John Hyatt]

I got it now.

I use nails under the decking. I am a Moisture Shield kinda Guy when I put down manmade. Same endgrain trim with a router detail just like wood. This makes for a little different color at first but they fade together quickly exposed to the Sun.

J.

 

[littlefred811]

Just my .02 cents. The job looks pretty darned good.
Additionally, the other photos you guys put up...thanks!

 

[FramingPro]

Like someone said before, pillowing them would help disguise any movement. I am worried about getting a call back on the cedar deck i did. I explained to them tirelessly it was gonna move... 5 more months and my warranty expires

 

[Calidecks]

Like someone said before, pillowing them would help disguise any movement. I am worried about getting a call back on the cedar deck i did. I explained to them tirelessly it was gonna move... 5 more months and my warranty expires

Don't be surprised if they think that every time you come out the warranty starts over from that point. Some people like to perpetuate a warranty. I had a guy call me after four years and said his patio cover had been leaking. I asked him when did it start leaking he said the first rain. He thought I should fix all the wood rot that this caused. I explained to him that there would of been no wood rot if you would of called me four years ago.

So I ended up replacing everything. Then he seemed to think his warranty began again. At this point I realized he's wanting a new cover every four years. So I gave him a lawyer written letter that explained to him I fixed his cover as a good will gesture and not a warranty claim. It also explained that the warranty doesn't perpetuate because of the fix either.