[johnk]

Unnessary?If you consider your shingle warranty unnessary

 

[MALCO.New.York]

Unnessary?If you consider your shingle warranty unnessary

If you "tuck" every other one , it is the same.

 

[MJW]

If you "tuck" every other one , it is the same.

Not with Landmarks or Timberlines. Racking is only acceptable as an alternate method on 3-tabs, if anyone uses them anymore.

Before anyone jumps, I know there are a few other shingles that can be or should be racked, but it isn't often that they are used.

 

[MALCO.New.York]

I will assume that you have a valid point. It has been a while. I really should not even comment.


POST SCRIPT: I thought that this was a Glove Thread???? How we do stray!

 

[johnk]

I was just wondering what you meant by tuck every other one in?

 

[MALCO.New.York]

You butt one the next one you lift and tuck. You butt one the next you lift and tuck. Watch the videos.

 

[MALCO.New.York]

Quote:
Originally Posted by A W Smith
laminates I do this way

Quote:
Originally Posted by A W Smith
three tabs I do this way

That is EXACTLY the argument!!! Looks quite correct to me.

 

[MALCO.New.York]

ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!


So what are the best roofing gloves??????

 

[johnk]

The best roofing gloves are your bare hands!!:thumbup:

 

[roofwiz74]

lol,got to love rookies.still worried about their pretty little hands and not getting the job done.

 

[2ndGen]

2ndGen, you claim to know so much and do so much, but you still rack shingles straight up? That's a big no no.

MJW,
I can run up a rack of shingles 30+ feet with the same 1/8" exposure at the bottom of the tab over the shingle it's laying on...consistantly. You can strike a line off of my work. I'm skilled like that.

I'm sure that there are Roofers who can stack them and get the same effect.
When you're good, you're good. Doesn't matter what you do.
I could probably stack them that well too.
But I prefer racking them.
For me, it's faster.

Racking is just another way of installing shingles; For eons.

"No brag. Just fact."
Will Sonnett

 

[2ndGen]

Seen MANY a great job of Racking. Stacking PREVENTS, if done correctly, the compounding of a single mistake. It is a process for the not-so-precise Roofer.

Racking is quite alright if you really know how to "sling the shing".

Just MHO!!!

A staggered stack procedure IS much safer, but unnecessary.

My thoughts exactly. :thumbsup: Stacking is the "safe" way to roof and is great for Roofers with less experience and for experienced Roofers who prefer to roof that way. And they wouldn't get a debate from me. To each his own.

It all depends on the man with the shingle in his hand.

 

[roofwiz74]

you are wrong man.racking is not an acceptable installation method.if you were the kind of contractor that put warranty roofs on a rep would of let you know by now.

 

[johnk]

Well said 2nd gen!!

 

[2ndGen]

Not with Landmarks or Timberlines. Racking is only acceptable as an alternate method on 3-tabs, if anyone uses them anymore.

Before anyone jumps, I know there are a few other shingles that can be or should be racked, but it isn't often that they are used.

I can't speak for Timberline, but no where in my CertainTeed Master Shingle Applicator Manual does it forbid the racking method. It illustrates the stacking method and only says that edges cannot be withing 3 1/2" of each other (something that would never happen with racked shingles as the have a minimum of 6" between edges).

Do you know of a spec that outrightly forbids any other method other than stacking?

Personally, I use a random rack pattern for Landmarks with no 6" standard. It really hides the edges...a lot more than stacking them does.
With each roof being different (except for tract housing production jobs),
I craft each roof one at a time.

When I pull up to a job to start, I stand back and look at the roof and listen to her with my eyes. I allow her to tell me what I need to do to her to make her happy...to make her watertight. Then, instinctually, I follow her instructions and do what she asks. Sometimes she asks me for a repair by telling me her deck is too soft at a valley or around a chimney. Sometimes, she tells me to just bang away like there's no tomorrow, that she's alright.

For me, there are no "hard and fast" rules. As long as I perform above expectations, that's all that matters.

 

[2ndGen]

ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!


So what are the best roofing gloves??????

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[2ndGen]

lol,got to love rookies.still worried about their pretty little hands and not getting the job done.

Shut up Gollum! :laughing::laughing::laughing:

This is why "you" need gloves!

 

[MJW]

Read the new MSA book. It specifically says not to rack laminate shingles. I just read it 20 minutes ago. Just spoke with the Rep the other day at a 'invite only' meeting with Certainteed. This is the info. They have denied claims because of racking.

 

[2ndGen]

Read the new MSA book. It specifically says not to rack laminate shingles. I just read it 20 minutes ago. Just spoke with the Rep the other day at a 'invite only' meeting with Certainteed. This is the info. They have denied claims because of racking.

I have the latest [Eight Edition] MSA Manual (just got it a few days ago). I found no where that states that racking is "not" allowed or that stacking is the "only" approved method.

I'm not debating what you're stating, but I'm just telling you what I "didn't" find (my rep is out...been trying to get him for a few weeks now).

Tell me what page you see that it forbids racking or states that only stacking is the approved method. Maybe I'm just not spry enough to see it. :laughing:

 

[Glidgle]

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