To see if I can keep this thread alive, here is a cross-section of an outside corner molding showing the Quartersawn side (on the left) and the flat sawn side (right).

Quartersawn lumber is cut perpendicular to the tree rings or "radially cut". Flat sawn lumber is cut essentially along the rings (actually tangent to the rings).

Outside corner molding is unique, because the right angle and equal length sides means the molding contains both flat and quartersawn sides.

 

Most of the back band I get
is sawn the other way.
My flat casing is eased a bit,
(store bought or homemade)
so I give the tops of the jamb
casing a "kiss" with an 1/8"
roundover bit.

 

I've known about the quartersawn side of outside corner for a while. Your the first guy I ever heard mention it, I've been telling guys this for a long time. The Kregs jig is very good for this type of casing install, I have changed the trim out in 2 of my homes with this exact setup, I painted it in most the house, nice clean look with enough detail to be interesting.
Looks good:thumbsup:

 

Worst thread ever...... love the pic silvertree.

We need a changing look of silver tree thread.


























Just platying bass, good info, and You'r work is fantastic,

 

Worst thread ever...... love the pic silvertree.

We need a changing look of silver tree thread.

Aaaah, I thought Tony Orlando
had turned anorexic! :laughing:

 

Hey strangers,

I'm resurrecting this thread and recycling some other threads into it.

Backbands can be two pieced, with the outside edge molding plain and the front face with a milled profile. The milled profile may just be a simple edge effect milled in a single pass with a router or more elaborate and done on a shaper or with multiple passes with a router.

 

Well, I don't get to make my own much. It's usually what I get from the lumber supply. But I glue and nail the backband on and install as one piece.

Been a long time since I did a real coped cassing with backband. Today it's all mitre, mitre, mitre.

 

One of the highest form of the two piece backband is what I call the nautilus rosette. Essentially, the back band on the head casing is run long and returns around within itself to form a "spiral square" rosette.

Used this way, you have shortened an otherwise huge miter that would be prone to opening. It is a hybrid form... backhanded, with a rosette, and with a mitered casing.

 

Here is another pic of the "spiral square"

 

I like it.:thumbsup: I use back band on everything.(chair rail cap, casing, stringer cap, light rail on cabs) its a very versatile molding.

 

Here is another variation on backbanded casing, with a "cabinet head" treatment (crown around the head casing):

 

Why did you draw two "franks and beans" on that beautiful work:whistling

Seriously.. that spiral is cool... awesome work

 

Here is the traditional way to apply casing when you don't have room in a corner (rather than ripping the molding small enough to fit it turns the corner to maintain balance... not as good as perfect design, but a decent alternative):

 

Brian
I just registered on this site and clicked on carpentry and found a thread by none other then you! I'm working on a house with backbanding, spent the whole day in the shop milling casing/backbanding, how appropos.
I had read on BT classic that you were on here along with a few others from the old BT, didnt expect to see someone I knew right off the bat.
I only read on BT classic, no time to get hung up in all the same old same old so I keep it to lurking, works out better that way.
I've heard you went back to school?
Nice seeing someone familiar and glad to see your still at it.

Doug

 

Hey Doug, Good to hear from you! The strange thing is that I have not really been spending much time here either, the last couple of years school work and my job at the "U" has been consuming my time.

I lurk here some... more than posting during recent years. Most of this thread is old stuff I posted in '09 or '10... smashing a few ideas together here. Hope all is well there.

Here is a link to a link about the casing and backband I milled... might be similar to what you did today:

http://www.contractortalk.com/f13/built-up-victorian-casing-techniques-article-73219/

Hey ALL, Welcome Doug U here. He does nicer work than I do, honestly. Great high-end stuff.

Cheers, Brian

 

A note about the carving in the center of the "spiral square"... I believe the three leaves represent a beginning, middle and end... phases of life, as it were.

When I carve these leaves, I curve one leaf slightly inward (towards the beginning--birth), one leans out (towards death), and the middle-aged leaf is living in denial.

Here is a corbel with a similar motif:

 

Welcome Doug!

That is some high praise coming from Bass! He is legendary here.

 

Hey Warren,

Doug does work a lot like Leo. He mentions lurking because I think he has little patience for pissing matches with people when he has already forgotten more than they will ever know... you know that kind of thing.

I remember him calling me out for mis-labeling a window unit a Palladian window, when it was not really a Palladian (it was something sorta-similar and I did't really know what to call it--"Palladian-esque" maybe).

I learned my lesson though... just don't tell Doug--that's all we need!:whistling

 

Good to see you Bass. Only you can disappear for months on end and re-establish the pecking order with one post.:laughing:

 

Great thread, i am thinking about how i want to case the windows when i replace them in my own house, and i want something a little different.

thanks Bass :thumbsup:

 

hmmm Basswood seems to be connected today:whistling

 

:tt2:

 

Great projects/pics Bass. :thumbsup:

 

He's my brother.

We just have different fathers. He used to be BassMaster, but disowned us and took hollys last name.

Everything he knows, he knows from me.

And I insincerely mean that!

 

Brian, I saw that at JLC, probably back when you did it, maybe, not real sure, time and my memory, well you know.
The backband that I'm doing is just the simple rabbited 1" X 1 1/4" with radiused corners.
I spent part of the weekend tearing out a lot of the trim in my house and it is a more complex backband trim but it does not fit in the 1850's Amana style (think Shaker) it was put in sometime in the 1930's.
Just completed two curved stairways over the last few months and that was all that was on my mind, needed to stay focused and now that they are done I'm glad to be doing something that I think is a bit simpler, but the irony of the backband and how it led here and to see an old friend - who'd a thunk it!
Hope everything is good with you and your family, Hope to see more of you and your work.
Doug, gotta go ride the bike, need some exercise!

 

Hey bass, glad to see you around. Using a modified version of your shutter jig to make some luverd doors this week.

 

"Palladian-esque" I'll give you that!
You young guys and your thin skin, never was meant as a diss just trying to educate, I just dont have your knack to articulate my thoughts on the net without comming across as a smart azz, well maybe thats my intent but never with malace.
I appreciate the kind words, I always say, I'm not any better a carp then a lot of the other people on here or the other sites, I've just been very fortunate to have been given the oportunity to do some pretty amazing things/projects. Back 8 or 9 years ago I landed in Texas without any conections and was working in 5-10-20 million dollar homes within a few weeks, very lucky, thats about all it was.

Hell all these other people on here that think they know you probably hav'nt met ya, worked with ya, shared some flood relief hash with ya, and BTW I'm still upset that we didnt save that biker dudes house!
I left BT cause I was getting burnt out, we had just built the most expensive kitchen that I'd ever been involved with, in excess of 150K and I didnt even care about the job. I had to get refocused. Andy C did it for me. He talked about cedar strip canoes and I was hooked. That was probably the best therapy for me. 3 canoes later and a forth in the works and now I find I have more passion for this work again. I think spending more time with my son and less time on the net arguing politics/religion/the price of rice in China helped a lot. Plus my son is young enough that he believes everything I say.

I do see from some of your pictures that you're getting that shop organized a bit, thats a good thing. I'm still working towards that goal, probably wont happen in this lifetime though.
I gotta get off this damn computer, got to get up early. Glad to see some of your work again, hope to run into you again sometime.

Doug

 

any friend of Brian's is a friend of ours Doug don't be a stranger:thumbup:

i have a hard time articulating here too:sad:

 

i have a hard time articulating here too:sad:

Posts: 9,317 , are ya shure?

 

does that mean post?..oh i don't have trouble with that:clap:

 

i have a hard time articulating here too:sad:

bull spit!!!!!!!