I was working on a job on changing out some outlets. I noticed that half of the outlets were black to brass and half were not. (I independently checked the black and it was the hot wire, while the white was the neutral.) Does it really matter? I have always done black(hot wire) to brass in my past. So when I got this job I was surprised it worked for all these years. The owner of this house said that the electrical hasn't been touched for over 20 years and he never had a problem.
black to brass....does it really matter?
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Electrician are not honest but you are charging someone 25.00 an outlet and you don't even know where to hook the wires to?
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Wire them backwards, for your own peace of mind. Leviton doesn't really have a reason for color coding the screws. It's just a marketing ploy to sell you on "their" electricians.
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Jack, that doesn't work anymore. All newly installled outlets have to be tamper-proof. Even garage-door opener receptacles, which would seem to be very out of reach of children.
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Sure, if it was a gas stove :thumbup:
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No, 220. Are you really telling me I can't do that?
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It was 14/3. No good?
I bet his house does not have them...Not to mention that it is 2008 NEC code....
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Yeah but he'll follow code. He has to.
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Handyman99 will follow whatever advice we (or his landlord, or his paperboy, or his barber, or his neighbor, or his dead great-grandmother....) give him that makes him the most money. Or is the easiest to do. He's lazy and greedy, two of the requirements to be a hack.
And if he doesn't get the advice he wants to hear, he'll just ignore us and do it wrong anyway. Hëll, what's the difference to him? He's only in it for the money anyway. What does he care if someone gets shocked, electrocuted, or their house burns down? He's got his money in his pocket.... he won't give a fùck at that point.
Shît, if we tell him it's legal to install a 400a service with #24 bell wire, I'd be the dumbass would do it. And then proudly proclaim he charged $500.
That's the definition of a hack........ make money, safety and codes get thrown out with the bathwater, and 'professional' electricians are just money-grubbing shysters.
And if he doesn't get the advice he wants to hear, he'll just ignore us and do it wrong anyway. Hëll, what's the difference to him? He's only in it for the money anyway. What does he care if someone gets shocked, electrocuted, or their house burns down? He's got his money in his pocket.... he won't give a fùck at that point.
Shît, if we tell him it's legal to install a 400a service with #24 bell wire, I'd be the dumbass would do it. And then proudly proclaim he charged $500.
That's the definition of a hack........ make money, safety and codes get thrown out with the bathwater, and 'professional' electricians are just money-grubbing shysters.
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Mccarty,
Without a local ammendment to the NEC, garage door opener receptacles are not required to be tamper resistant, unless mounted below five and one half feet above the floor.
Without a local ammendment to the NEC, garage door opener receptacles are not required to be tamper resistant, unless mounted below five and one half feet above the floor.
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Just messing with the electricians. Seeing if I can get a rise out of them. So far I've been unsuccessful.
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99,
While it is true that even a jackass electrician can hook two wires to something and make it come on, that does not mean that the wire is the correct size or that it is the correct wire for the installation. There are multitudes of things that need to be considered for any installation. You have asked about one of the most basic requirements and when others inform you that you are not qualified to change out the receptacles, you declare that there is no need for the requirements in the first place. What you did could be, and in most places is, illegal. This is usually no big deal until someone is injured or worse and then you won't believe how quickly someone you thought was your friend will have a lawyer that will earn his pay by not being your friend. You will make his job incredibly easy by not knowing the basics about what you are doing for pay.
While it is true that even a jackass electrician can hook two wires to something and make it come on, that does not mean that the wire is the correct size or that it is the correct wire for the installation. There are multitudes of things that need to be considered for any installation. You have asked about one of the most basic requirements and when others inform you that you are not qualified to change out the receptacles, you declare that there is no need for the requirements in the first place. What you did could be, and in most places is, illegal. This is usually no big deal until someone is injured or worse and then you won't believe how quickly someone you thought was your friend will have a lawyer that will earn his pay by not being your friend. You will make his job incredibly easy by not knowing the basics about what you are doing for pay.
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How about if you use two 14s? Then it's like a 7 or something... :whistling
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No. when you parallel, you invoke the Square Root Rule. So it would be AWG 3.74.:shifty:
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Damn it...I'm such a hack....:shutup:
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dirtdiggler...........
And that stuff is hard to find..You'll end up running all over town trying to find it.
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There is so much more to the Code than most people realize. They hear one part and think they know it all. You can actually protect 14awg copper with a 110 amp breaker and still be 100% Code compliant.
Hint: It has something to do with the asterisk beside the part that says you can use a maximum 15amp breaker on #14 awg copper.
Hint: It has something to do with the asterisk beside the part that says you can use a maximum 15amp breaker on #14 awg copper.
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