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Replacing the deck joist, decking and railing for a customer. The existing railings didn't meet code. I need to bring them up to 36". The (8) 6x6 treated posts are currently only 32 1/2" high from the decking. The top rail cap will be a 2x6. My only idea is rip some treated 1/2" shims, put them on the post top, them a slab of 2x6 treated, then my rail cap 2x6. That will give me the 36". My concerns are...I don't think the 1/2" shim and 2x6 slab will hold up very well. Much less the problem with them splitting when I screw them rail cap down. It's right on the beach in NC. Very harsh sun, salt environment. Any better ideas out there?? Building the railing tomorrow. Thanks.
Joel
 
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Get yourself some post sleeves that are the right height, let's say 36" high. Drop a shim in there then put your top cap 2x6 on top and screw down threw. That way you don't see the ugly shim etc...Like this
That looks great and is a very good idea. However, customer is on the cheap. It would be awesome if even half the folks I'm replacing decks for would go with sleeves and composite.
I guess if they don't want to pay for it, then they get what they pay for and the pieces start falling out in a year or two.
 
Replacing the deck joist, decking and railing for a customer. The existing railings didn't meet code. I need to bring them up to 36". The (8) 6x6 treated posts are currently only 32 1/2" high from the decking. The top rail cap will be a 2x6. My only idea is rip some treated 1/2" shims, put them on the post top, them a slab of 2x6 treated, then my rail cap 2x6. That will give me the 36". My concerns are...I don't think the 1/2" shim and 2x6 slab will hold up very well. Much less the problem with them splitting when I screw them rail cap down. It's right on the beach in NC. Very harsh sun, salt environment. Any better ideas out there?? Building the railing tomorrow. Thanks.
Joel
For peace of mind, do you have room to replace the posts? Might just be the easiest for you. Give the client a deal on them, but say it's necessary and blame the government.
 
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MJ, The 6x6's are extension of the deck support posts. I thought about cutting them off and just adding new railing posts. They didn't want to spring for the added labor/material. I already blamed the government...it's the building inspectors fault!
Griz, Good idea but they said it blocks the beach view too much. They said that's why the built them only 32" high before. I just said...gotta go 36" to meet code.
 
That looks great and is a very good idea. However, customer is on the cheap. It would be awesome if even half the folks I'm replacing decks for would go with sleeves and composite.
I guess if they don't want to pay for it, then they get what they pay for and the pieces start falling out in a year or two.
Go with sleeves and treated for your rail.
 
Rip a 2x8 down to 6" wide, problem solved. I pay about $20 each for Fiberon sleeves at Lowe's. Not sure how many posts you have but your clients have to understand they're limited in their options and you're giving them a couple good ones...Just tell them you ran it past the top deck guys in the country haha
 
What is the height for that deck? If you under 30" maybe you can get away with that height...

Tell the Homeowner to go down to the township and get a Code Modification Request form. Have him fill that out and there is a good chance this could fly having the deck height under 30".

Done that quite a few times with great success.

What you basically want to show that the modification you asking for is reasonable and it will still provide equivalent safety

Show that your requests is based on practical difficulty in achieving code conformance on the existing railing and in your case the deck is under 30" and that the existing rail being 1 1/2" short of 36" it will still provide equivalent level of safety and protection.
Explain as clearly and completely as possible the nature of the code violation and the proposed change to the following code and use these codes as reference:
R312.1 Where required. Guards shall be located along
open-sided walking surfaces, including stairs, ramps and landings,
that are located more than 30" measured
vertically to the floor or grade below at any point within 36
inches horizontally to the edge of the open side.

Add R312.2 Height. Required guards at open-sided walking surfaces,
including stairs, porches, balconies or landings, shall be
not less than 36" high measured vertically above the adjacent walking surface.
Include with that a drawing and a few pictures of existing condition and you shouldn't have any issues.

Good luck.
 
Cut 8 2" blocks from a 6X6 and epoxy them to the tops of the posts. Pre wet the end grains a few times of both pieces and use plenty epoxy so the joints are not starved. If you're worried about splitting use 2" longer fasteners and after drilling pilot holes, drill oversize holes in the 2" blocks. West Systems makes great epoxy for all sorts of applications. If you need to relevel posts cut longer blocks then trim posts level. Use any leftover epoxy to coat the end grain of the post.
 
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What is the height for that deck? If you under 30" maybe you can get away with that height...

Tell the Homeowner to go down to the township and get a Code Modification Request form. Have him fill that out and there is a good chance this could fly having the deck height under 30".

Done that quite a few times with great success.

What you basically want to show that the modification you asking for is reasonable and it will still provide equivalent safety

Show that your requests is based on practical difficulty in achieving code conformance on the existing railing and in your case the deck is under 30" and that the existing rail being 1 1/2" short of 36" it will still provide equivalent level of safety and protection.
Explain as clearly and completely as possible the nature of the code violation and the proposed change to the following code and use these codes as reference:
R312.1 Where required. Guards shall be located along
open-sided walking surfaces, including stairs, ramps and landings,
that are located more than 30" measured
vertically to the floor or grade below at any point within 36
inches horizontally to the edge of the open side.

Add R312.2 Height. Required guards at open-sided walking surfaces,
including stairs, porches, balconies or landings, shall be
not less than 36" high measured vertically above the adjacent walking surface.
Include with that a drawing and a few pictures of existing condition and you shouldn't have any issues.

Good luck.
Thanks Greg, Never tried that. I'll ask my inspector about code modification request. I suspect he'll say no way. One job I have is a boardwalk from the house to the beach, over sand dunes. Railing is 28" high with 6" spaced pickets. The inspector told me and the owner, bring it up to code or tear it down and people can walk across the ground to the beach.
 
Thanks Greg, Never tried that. I'll ask my inspector about code modification request. I suspect he'll say no way. One job I have is a boardwalk from the house to the beach, over sand dunes. Railing is 28" high with 6" spaced pickets. The inspector told me and the owner, bring it up to code or tear it down and people can walk across the ground to the beach.
The funny thing is the code dictates that all decks higher than 30" above grade must have a guardrail. But if you decide to put railing on a deck lower than 30" you have to meet the code requirements for that railing even if the deck doesn't requires to have a railing.
 
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The funny thing is the code dictates that all decks higher than 30" above grade must have a guardrail. But if you decide to put railing on a deck lower than 30" you have to meet the code requirements for that railing even if the deck doesn't requires to have a railing.
Greg, You are so right. However, the inspector did give the owner some wiggle room when he said." If you bring the areas of the boardwalk that's over 30" high up to 36" guard height, I'll approve it". I thought that was pretty generous.
One major issue is...if they are going to rent the property out to the public then it needs to be up to code and safe. I mean these folks are renting these properties out, and they are already booked solid from Easter to Labor day. Some get $4-5K a week. Just google Emerald Isle rentals. You will probably see many of the ones that need deck replacements. (Actually they ALL need the decks replaced). I predict there will be more deck collapses at NC rental properties this year...Just saying.
 
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