Just curious what the main differences are for doors, other than you not having to edge band the edges.
JohnnyFelix
Why would you choose a face frame for a cabinet over not using a face frame?
What perspective are you looking at it from? The builder? The designer? The home owner?
FF cabinets are much more rigid, have the strength of wood instead of plywood or MDF. Makes a nice match for the doors. Provides an area for crown. Provides a recessed area for under cabinet lighting.
Euro cabinets have more access to the space. You can put up a wall of doors with small margins. They should be easier to build.
FF cabinets are much more rigid, have the strength of wood instead of plywood or MDF. Makes a nice match for the doors. Provides an area for crown. Provides a recessed area for under cabinet lighting.
Euro cabinets have more access to the space. You can put up a wall of doors with small margins. They should be easier to build.
You can install pretty much any door on a framed or frameless cabinet. The hinge overlays may or may not be different but the doors can be identical. Framed cabinets are usually a little more forgiving during installation because the faces connect together rather than the sides. When you attach several frameless cabinets together they wont flex without creating a gap somewhere. This can make attaching to a wall with a bump in it more challenging. Frameless cabinets will however rack or twist easier and the tolerances on the door adjustments are typically much tighter.
The frame on a framed cabinet will tend to hold the face of the box more square as opposed to one without a frame. I am not sure that it is significanly stronger as the back will also hold the box square. Once installed they wont move.
All that said I do believe both have a place. Our install crews prefer frameless cabinets with 3/4" Plywood sides over any other frameless box. If the sides are 5/8 they are more challenging to assemble without using through connectors. Particle board is just so heavy. To some degree it will become a matter of what you are used to. Box construction can be similar but we more often see frameless cabinets installing on wall cleats.
I actuall like working with both framed and frameless just about the same. They are just different. Some of my guys will complain about one or the other and while their complaints may be somewhat valid, they are just a matter of what the products are.
Leo is absolutely correct that framed cabinets can have a place to mount trim on the face; but we often cleat framed cabinets just like we would with frameless cabinets to mount crown above them.
Frameless cabinets provide a larger opening into the box and are often marketed as full access. Your drawer boxes are wider in a frameless cabinet because you don't have wasted space behind the face frame. Frameless cabinets are often used in commercial and institutional applications because of their ease of construction and ability to be completely covered with plastic laminate or wood veneers.
Some customers will specifically specify frameless cabinets and are looking for that modern look with the tight reveals between the doors. The majority of what we sell in Southern Oregon for residential use is still Framed cabinets.
Frameless cabinets can cost as much if not more than framed cabinets. Both will have value based products as well as a budget expanding price points that can reach as far as you can imagine.
Thinking about my own home, I would be happy with either as long as they were of good quality. Many frameless shops are building with the price being the largest factor and sometimes quality can suffer if cost is the driving concern. Some Production framed shops have the same problem. Once installed you are not likely notice much diffrence in functionallity.
If your goal is the modern slab door look then frameless is absolutly a great option. If you prefer a partial overlay look or that suits your space better, then framed is the way to go. Full overlay framed cabinets will typically have 1/2" spaceing between doors while frameless will typically have 1/8" spacing.
The frame on a framed cabinet will tend to hold the face of the box more square as opposed to one without a frame. I am not sure that it is significanly stronger as the back will also hold the box square. Once installed they wont move.
All that said I do believe both have a place. Our install crews prefer frameless cabinets with 3/4" Plywood sides over any other frameless box. If the sides are 5/8 they are more challenging to assemble without using through connectors. Particle board is just so heavy. To some degree it will become a matter of what you are used to. Box construction can be similar but we more often see frameless cabinets installing on wall cleats.
I actuall like working with both framed and frameless just about the same. They are just different. Some of my guys will complain about one or the other and while their complaints may be somewhat valid, they are just a matter of what the products are.
Leo is absolutely correct that framed cabinets can have a place to mount trim on the face; but we often cleat framed cabinets just like we would with frameless cabinets to mount crown above them.
Frameless cabinets provide a larger opening into the box and are often marketed as full access. Your drawer boxes are wider in a frameless cabinet because you don't have wasted space behind the face frame. Frameless cabinets are often used in commercial and institutional applications because of their ease of construction and ability to be completely covered with plastic laminate or wood veneers.
Some customers will specifically specify frameless cabinets and are looking for that modern look with the tight reveals between the doors. The majority of what we sell in Southern Oregon for residential use is still Framed cabinets.
Frameless cabinets can cost as much if not more than framed cabinets. Both will have value based products as well as a budget expanding price points that can reach as far as you can imagine.
Thinking about my own home, I would be happy with either as long as they were of good quality. Many frameless shops are building with the price being the largest factor and sometimes quality can suffer if cost is the driving concern. Some Production framed shops have the same problem. Once installed you are not likely notice much diffrence in functionallity.
If your goal is the modern slab door look then frameless is absolutly a great option. If you prefer a partial overlay look or that suits your space better, then framed is the way to go. Full overlay framed cabinets will typically have 1/2" spaceing between doors while frameless will typically have 1/8" spacing.
I prefer inset framed with 3/32" margins. All the cabinets I build frameless also have a 3/32" space between the doors. 1/8" is just to wide. If I could do 5/64" I would but the limitations of the hardware and the possibility of doors swelling during humid conditions have swayed me away from that spacing.
I've always chuckled at terms like "full access" when referring to frameless, as even if your cabinets have 3/4" sides, you still have the space behind the face-frame, it's the "opening" that full access... and what are you really talking about? 1"-1-1/2" difference (depending on how thick your sides are), which basically means nothing... and that's not taking into account the hinges used in frameless to make them work...
Not to mention justifying going with thinner sides on drawers from 3/4" to 1/2", you're "gaining" 1/2", which again amounts to nothing in most cases...
Not to mention justifying going with thinner sides on drawers from 3/4" to 1/2", you're "gaining" 1/2", which again amounts to nothing in most cases...
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