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As you know, there is never really a positive outcome, but trauma can be minimized and counseling can deal with a lot. It can't be erased.



The best outcome would be for Dad to have custody, but Mom's always have the priority.


The positive outcome is he gets put in prison so he can't do this again.


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Probably the one thing Dad has going for him in this situation is he has an excellent combat record and is a combat disabled Army vet. The bf is in the Army. When the base commander gets back, he isn't going to like what he's hearing.

I'm guessing the bf is going to get a rude awakening. He'll be saying it's all Dad's lies, and then he'll get the real rundown on the Dad, not the BS the ex spreads.
 

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The positive outcome is he gets put in prison so he can't do this again.


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That probably would only happen with physical evidence, and I really hope it didn't go that far. Having an arrest record for it would help, at least there would be documentation.
 

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The dad needs to record EVERY interaction with his kid, and DO NOT ASK leading questions.

Then the "he said, she said" has a little more weight with the little girls words...plus it gets investigators to a better starting point.
 

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The dad needs to record EVERY interaction with his kid, and DO NOT ASK leading questions.

Then the "he said, she said" has a little more weight with the little girls words...plus it gets investigators to a better starting point.
I actually passed that on to him before she said anything. You don't want to contaminate the testiminy, and you also really don't want to elicit a false statement. Ignoring the impact on the accused, going through the whole process is traumatic for the child no matter the truth of the allegation. Don't put them through it because you influenced them, it isn't fair to the child.

In this case, the girl was having a bath, and Dad was just monitoring. The girl asked if he was going to wash her area, and he said no, you're old enough to do that. That's when she said what was going on.
 

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Anytime this type of allegation is made, the first order of business is context. What are the circumstances? Who is telling the truth? The presumption of innocence must never be sacrificed on the alter of outrage.
 

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Anytime this type of allegation is made, the first order of business is context. What are the circumstances? Who is telling the truth? The presumption of innocence must never be sacrificed on the alter of outrage.
It's a two sided coin. The girl needs to be treated like she's telling the truth, and the accused needs to be treated like he's innocent, but with some prejudice. I wouldn't leave a kid alone with an accused child molester, or even a rumored child molester, it wouldn't be prudent.

There was a guy up here that got away with molesting and raping kids over a 40 year period before he finally was convicted. Dozens of victims. I know a lot of them.
 

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My wife used to deal with sex offenders...now she supervises the officers that deal with them, but she still has to read the trash...called the "tubs"...case files. And they are disgusting.

This isn't about an underage girl and a boy over 18...there are sick people...men and women both, and kids who are victimized....it is heartbreaking. Just last week...a POS anally raped a 2 year old boy. Kid lived, pervert in jail...and what does that say? A slick defense attorney cannot get him off with any benefit of any doubt....his semen was inside the kid....so he will spend 40 years in prison, and we will pay the bill.

There are also cases where people are accused and later found innocent...."victims" were coached and led by "suggestive" interviews to make claims....plant the seed until they believe it themselves. Bad deal all around.


I don't have the answer....but I know that society will never weed out the evil ones...and will take down innocent people along the way....imagine....a guy was charged when he changed a little girl's diaper...he was the BF, the girl was not yet 2, and mom was busy, but close by..the guy didn't have a clue that he was doing anything wrong...so the safest bet is if a kid isn't yours, don't touch.
 

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I was not doubting the story....and I agree....there is not any reason for an adult man to be around a young girl bathing.

I was commenting on the subject generally.
 

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I was not doubting the story....and I agree....there is not any reason for an adult man to be around a young girl bathing.

I was commenting on the subject generally.
I agree with all your posts. Obviously, I wouldn't have started the thread if there was a lack of credibility in my eyes in this case. That was really my point.

False accusations can destroy all parties, even if they're all adults.

IMO, it's a tough situation if there are no corroborating witnesses witnesses and no physical evidence, but that isn't unusual.
 

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In this case, there is no reason to be giving the child a bath without Mom around. I tend to believe it's true.
I don't even give my little girl a bath. For that fact neither does my wife. We don't need to. Door stays cracked and we listen and check up often but it's important for a kid to learn that boundaries are needed.

A boyfriend giving a 6 yo girl a bath is not okay.
 

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I eatched the girl open her Christmas presents on facebook. I could tell she was having a great Chrustmas, just like you'd expect anyone her age would be having.

It seems the ball got dropped on the referral to Georgia CPS. The Dad contacted military CID yesterday, and they're right on it, interview happened later in the day.
 
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