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I don't have any real world examples to cite, but I would assume that 2 top-paid guys, would be extremely competitive and want to best one another to prove their worth. When one is, immediately, subordinate to another he's not going to assume that he will overtake the other in position or compensation and will probably just accept his role as number 2.
Highly paid mechanic and lower paid helper
From 30+ years of experience if you put two mechanics on the same job one of two things will happen.
One of them will go into helper mode and lose all brain function. Now you have an over paid helper
they will argue over how everything is done and production will fall off.
Just my opinion
From 30+ years of experience if you put two mechanics on the same job one of two things will happen.
One of them will go into helper mode and lose all brain function. Now you have an over paid helper
they will argue over how everything is done and production will fall off.
Just my opinion
2 High paid guys...BUT I think it also depends a little on the task at hand.If it is something that requires someone to lead and someone to help then it may be better the other way for the sake of less $$.Because you could be paying someone top dollar to just stand around and hold things..But if is something where two guys could work indipendently then the two higher paid guys would be the best choice for sure.
If it has to be a two-man team, Naptown has got it. But for production framing, in my experience two top guys, with a helper, is the way to go.
The framers will compete like crazy, and neither gets to do the grunt work - stacking joists, blocks, etc. And the helper/apprentice either wants to be like them, or he goes away scared; either is good.
Like I said, this is for framing. Crown molding, door hanging, maybe a top man and a helper to keep the material moving.
The framers will compete like crazy, and neither gets to do the grunt work - stacking joists, blocks, etc. And the helper/apprentice either wants to be like them, or he goes away scared; either is good.
Like I said, this is for framing. Crown molding, door hanging, maybe a top man and a helper to keep the material moving.
I would say the two man, experienced team, for most tasks.
Fewer discussions on how, why, and what happens next. Each person anticipating each others next move, looking out for each other, and compelling each other to give their best.
Fewer discussions on how, why, and what happens next. Each person anticipating each others next move, looking out for each other, and compelling each other to give their best.
I agree with Bradgunn and Naptown...
Production work goes faster the more experienced the crew - preferrably 2 top notch + 1 trainee cutting and feeding materials...
Unusual and custom jobs require the most experienced people you can muster, you just have to be careful not to put too many of them on the same job site with the expectation to: "come up with the best solution"... This often leads to high dollar guys arguing why their idea is better.
bonz
Production work goes faster the more experienced the crew - preferrably 2 top notch + 1 trainee cutting and feeding materials...
Unusual and custom jobs require the most experienced people you can muster, you just have to be careful not to put too many of them on the same job site with the expectation to: "come up with the best solution"... This often leads to high dollar guys arguing why their idea is better.
bonz
2 chiefs and no ******? No.
Depends on the job. For framing I like 2 good guys for layout and direction of assembly, and 2 general guys for nailing and bringing the wood.
For reno jobs, I prefer 2 good guys and one helper. But I have a large job coming up in the spring where there will be 2 experienced guys, 3 general guys, and one labourer. Should be entertaining :laughing:
For reno jobs, I prefer 2 good guys and one helper. But I have a large job coming up in the spring where there will be 2 experienced guys, 3 general guys, and one labourer. Should be entertaining :laughing:
I vote option 2 . Someone has to be the lead guy and I don't see the other guy liking the gopher roll . Two guys and a helper works pretty good if the leads get along and are team players . If you are talking bathroom remodels it can get a little congested with three guys so I would go with one lead and one helper with the option of the third guy if needed .
Let's make the criteria, it's a job for only 2 guys, 3 or more not an option. This is just a 2 guy scenario.
By the way I have seen that happen over and over again.
If it has to be a two man team, Naptown has got it.
But Mike, you're setting the criteria; what kind of jobs are we doing here?
Big framing job, little deck and stairs? Bathroom? Doorhanging?
By the way, if you have any work, I can have two guys there tomorrow. Maybe lunchtime today.
But Mike, you're setting the criteria; what kind of jobs are we doing here?
Big framing job, little deck and stairs? Bathroom? Doorhanging?
By the way, if you have any work, I can have two guys there tomorrow. Maybe lunchtime today.
I will take the two top guys in most circumstances. When you put in the lesser experienced guy, production will only go as fast as he can process the job. If he gets overwhelmed, the top guy will have to slow down. Ideally to me, I prefer guys who have worked together frequently. They can often anticipate whet the other needs quickly. I have experimented with different combinations of my guys for years. Generally, an even number of workers is more productive. Most times they pair off. If we have a 5 man crew, I seem to either get lazier, or overwhelmed trying to work alone.
If the two experienced guys are in each other's fan club then the fully seasoned crew will be a pleasure to be a part of. Depending on the task it may not be the most lucrative though.
Build a fence, guy and helper.
Custom trim job, 2 top dollar boys
Build a fence, guy and helper.
Custom trim job, 2 top dollar boys
Agree 100% worked for 5 years next to an = caliber guy and it was great to have someone that was totally on page and of the same skill lvl. But in the same sense it depends on the job, alot of times we worked on stuff that you needed a hand from time to time but could solo alot of it. Ended up we could work side by side towards the same goal and it worked out good. The even numbers thing is also a big one imo, anytime we cant pair off someone either gets swamped or finds alot of ass time.
Usually on punch out work, I prefer that everyone work solo, unless they are up high. Low guy can work on hardware/cleanup, middle guys can do furring, truss bracing, wall changes, top guys can build soffits,set doors,build stairs,etc.Often when we are busy, we will leave just two guys to do punch out if we have another job to start.Usually then, it is a top guy and a laborer.
I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and guess...bathroom remodeling jobs :whistling
If I am on the job it doesnt really matter. If I am NOT there Id rather have a helper helping a lead guy. My 2 main guys have a history of not getting along when I'm not around. Neither one will listen to the other... When I am there they work great together :innocent:
Shower light install maybe...
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I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and guess...bathroom remodeling jobs :whistling
Nah. Those are too expensive. He don't put a light in there anymore>:thumbsup:
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