I only use the Oil base for priming water stains on interior ceilings. The new formula (out for a year or so?) needs to be hit twice and now flashes 60% of the time. Other than that we really don't use it.
I used to think of Kilz as a product that would seal stains prior to painting. The latex version doesn't do that, at least not well. I once used the oil base to seal pet urine stains on a plywood sub-floor. About a year ago I tried that with latex kilz. About 6 coats later I gave up.
i agree too, the latex kilz does not cover water stains the way it should. and the flashing is a pain to deal with too. never had problems with the oil based though.
Darren. I've been using kilz oil exclusively as a stain blocking primer for 15 years.
I have not one thing bad to say about it. It's never let us down.
And, I have certainly put it to the test. From hurricane damage to using it on every popcorn removal job I've done (hundreds).:thumbup:
Kilz 2 premium is a great product been using it as our everyday primer for sometime. The oil base has been in our line up for years.... As for water stains even Bin doesn't always cover in one coat. The trick is the longer you let the primer dry the more it will stop the bleed.
I know time is money but ya gota do what ya got to do....
You're absolutely right... all of the water based stain blockers from KILZ work far better if they have an extended cure period before re-coating or top coating.
I have been using kilz for years... even lost my 'get high off paint' virginity with Kilz as a teen ager working for my dad. However, as of late, the new oil base kilz available here in Buffalo NY, to be honest. The stuff sucks. I finally used up the rest of the old stock (my dad used to buy Kilz by the pallet for plaster work) and I had to go buy kilz at home depot about a year ago. The new stuff, vs what I had from the 1990's. No comparison.
However as far as latex primers go, I wont even bother with the latex kilz. total waste of time and money. The one product that I have found to really work well as a primer, is Gripper, by Glidden. That stuff doesnt even want to come off of glass.
I'm painting rooms that had water damage from Ice dams (now has a new roof..no ice dams)
I used the Latex and the stains kept bleeding through.
I went to Sherwin Williams to ask John, my paint Guru.
He said the difference in the alcohol and latex is that the alcohol will set up quicker and seal the stain.
The latex draws moisture and doesn't seal the stain before the moisture comes to the surface.
mmmmm made sense. Got the alcohol based...1st coat...gone!!!!!!
My paint store doesnt sell kilz, I always use Zinnser oil. I have been turned off of kilz for years just because I am tired of hearing clueless homeowners asking "you gonna kilz that first?", thinking everything needs a coat of oil based primer. After being told by a homeowners friend that my job of painting a ceiling (a tan ceiling that I was painting blue) would have looked much better if I would have kilz'd it first I came up with a new slogan for them
"Kilz, making primer for people who have no clue what primer is for since 19xx"
in addition to it not being a great stain blocker, the water based stuff separates far too quickly. as a handyman i dip into a 2 gallon bucket every other week or so and it needs much more remixing than other latex primers. glidden's primer works better for me all around.
i'll use latex killz instead of pva because it's about the same cost and i like it more, but that's about it.
Thank you for the link Paul, the rules pretty clearly state that as a supplier I am not allowed to "solicit" ideas or feedback on my company's products which is unfortunate but a rule is a rule.
As you point out this thread will likely get flagged so before it does I would like to thank everyone again for your input!
My apologies to the contractortalk admins for accidentally overlooking this policy.
Sort of like a poll this is,,, I've never been inclined to Kilz, Unless they changed things, I just stick to Bulls eye, 123, for an extra tough primer, It has a sheen so I can keep the eggshell or semi gloss not too far away, it say's it is Ok for exterior, for super stick, stain killing and recoat in an hour. I don't believe half of it but at least I'm not waiting four to five. Usually I want it for over fast dry plasters that I think need a better quality primer. Kilz just seems like drywall primer with a fancy name. I usually opt for Bin when I want stain killing or super stick for trim. What is it with paint companies that have three lines when one will do, doesn`t that increase the cost for stocking a shelf
Like many others I have only found the kilz oil (original) useful. It will seal many stains, not all, but many. I can barely stand spraying kilz let alone an alcohol sealer like bin.
The one benefit of the kilz oil primer no one has highlighted is that it sands quite well after 24 hours.
I used the oil based Kilz 20 years ago on my first house remodel, a fire damaged house with black soot on every wall. It covered and sealed in the soot and the smell. I am currently using the oil based Kilz to seal in cat urine odors in a double wide rental... I hope it will do the job for me and I am pretty confident it will.
I tried out the Kilz Pro X 300 series. Not to bad and around 100 for 5.
Needs alot of stiring and seems to settle easily. Overall I thought it was decent. Seems a bit thinner than Behr and would be great for spraying.
I also tried the dead flat sheen on the ceilings. I think it was about $70/5. I thought the dead flat looked nice on the ceilings. The mixer at some cheapo even thew in a Kilz Pro X fan deck - Score.:clap:
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