landmarks all the way.
What 30 year shingle would you put on your roof?
I've been installing CertainTeed shingles for about 4 years.
I like them, never had any problems with them to this day.
I've installed GAF/Tam/Owens and IKO's but CertainTeed goes down on 95% of the roofs we do.
If I had to do my own roof, I'd used a Owens Oak Ridge.
I'm installing them every now and then, they cost me about 10 bucks more a square. But the tar strip on the back is way thinker, and wider. Just holding the shingle after installing 100's of squares of Landmarks between Owens Cornering jobs, you can feel the difference. Even the granduales seem to stay on better.
I'll still be installing 90% CertainTeeds because most of my customers would rather save 300 bucks than have the roof last longer. Most of them plan on selling the house or dying before the roof ever wears out again.
But I'll be putting black oak ridges on my investment house this year over certainTeeds. CertainTeed also makes you upgrade to a life time shingle, to get the more "bold" def shingles. Oak Ridge's and even GAFs are all like that. The "Morie Black" Landmarks honestly look cheap and flat on a roof.
I like them, never had any problems with them to this day.
I've installed GAF/Tam/Owens and IKO's but CertainTeed goes down on 95% of the roofs we do.
If I had to do my own roof, I'd used a Owens Oak Ridge.
I'm installing them every now and then, they cost me about 10 bucks more a square. But the tar strip on the back is way thinker, and wider. Just holding the shingle after installing 100's of squares of Landmarks between Owens Cornering jobs, you can feel the difference. Even the granduales seem to stay on better.
I'll still be installing 90% CertainTeeds because most of my customers would rather save 300 bucks than have the roof last longer. Most of them plan on selling the house or dying before the roof ever wears out again.
But I'll be putting black oak ridges on my investment house this year over certainTeeds. CertainTeed also makes you upgrade to a life time shingle, to get the more "bold" def shingles. Oak Ridge's and even GAFs are all like that. The "Morie Black" Landmarks honestly look cheap and flat on a roof.
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3 or 4 years ago, I would have said the same thing.landmarks all the way.
Install a 30 year Landmark, Moire Black on a house though.
Then go next door and install a 30 year Owens Oak Ridge.
Not only will you notice a tuffer shingle when you are installing, with a nicer thicker tar line, but when you are done you will like the look of the Oak Ridge more too.
The Roof will stand out more, the double laminates will be more defined and honestly, the black shingle is BLACKER than the Moire Black 30 year landmarks that appear to come "pre faded".
CertainTeeds Landmarks are probably the most installed shingle. But I feel it's because of superior marketing and contractor/distributor incentives more than the quality of the product.
I'd give the Owens some time. They are new this year, right?
I would stick with a Certainteed myself, and would consider the Malarkey's.
I would stick with a Certainteed myself, and would consider the Malarkey's.
The Owens Oak Ridge have been the same for awhile.I'd give the Owens some time. They are new this year, right?
I would stick with a Certainteed myself, and would consider the Malarkey's.
Honestly, the GAF Timb's look better than the CertainTeeds too.
If I have a chance today, I'll photo the tar strips on the back of the Owens in comparision to the Landmarks.
CertainTeed 30 year shingles are not "high def" which is kind of B.S. if you ask me. The shadow accent is not as sharp, so the shingles don't look as bold unless you use a 50 year (lifetime) shingle.
Seriously look at the last 30 year black Landmark you put down, then go look at a black 30 year GAF or Oak Ridge. The Landmark 30's look like they are 10 years old compared to them.
I use almost exclusively Owens Corning Duration or Duration premiums and they are great. I like the GAF/Elk's also.
consumer reports says landmarks are the best, I have installed plenty of shingles other than certainteed, I like GAF at #2, and owens corning #3.
IKO's are trash IMO, after doing repairs on them and seeing them look 25 years old after only 14 years and 1- 275 sq. job with them, no more.
And I almost always try to talk a customer out of black shingles, I don't really care for black of any make, way too blah. Know what I mean.
IKO's are trash IMO, after doing repairs on them and seeing them look 25 years old after only 14 years and 1- 275 sq. job with them, no more.
And I almost always try to talk a customer out of black shingles, I don't really care for black of any make, way too blah. Know what I mean.
O/C and GAF. Not much of a market for Certainteed in East Texas and just never formed a habit for Tamko. I think a lot of a roofing companies preference stems from what is regionally shoved down their throats with a manufacturer's presence. I hear a lot of talk about Certainteed on this site which amazes me as they have been viewed as somewhat substandard in my area since I can remember. I know that's not true, but that is the perception since they are not marketed like they are in the North and Northeast. GAF, O/C, and Tamko have the largest presence here and those three are what most are using. I will be using the Tamko Heritage 50 on a couple redecks in a few weeks that are a very nice looking shingle. HO picked them out and had their mind made up before I got there.
Consumers reports probably do put them at the top, landmarks at 70 a square are a good price.consumer reports says landmarks are the best, I have installed plenty of shingles other than certainteed, I like GAF at #2, and owens corning #3.
IKO's are trash IMO, after doing repairs on them and seeing them look 25 years old after only 14 years and 1- 275 sq. job with them, no more.
And I almost always try to talk a customer out of black shingles, I don't really care for black of any make, way too blah. Know what I mean.
But as far as quality.....I still say it's almost obvious as a slap in the face that O/C and GAF are better.
You could lay them next to each other and see easy.
CertainTeed is so popular because of it's marketing and contractor/distributor incentives not because of a suburb product.
Ever do CertainTeed warantee work? they give you 50 a square off/on.
Peffer, where do yours shingles come from?
It is complete opposite here. I have a Landmark and a Timberline side by side quite often, and it's very easy to see the Landmark is better quality. I've even taken the laminates apart to compare.
The Landmark is heavier per square, thicker shingle, better AR because the have more copper, the laminate is held by 3 tar strips instead of 2, and the accent is usually more on the Landmark also.
No fiberglass slivers when you are done, and no cracking.
You are right on the black. It looks grey and I don't care for it personally. Looks good on a yellow house though. You'd be surprised.
It is complete opposite here. I have a Landmark and a Timberline side by side quite often, and it's very easy to see the Landmark is better quality. I've even taken the laminates apart to compare.
The Landmark is heavier per square, thicker shingle, better AR because the have more copper, the laminate is held by 3 tar strips instead of 2, and the accent is usually more on the Landmark also.
No fiberglass slivers when you are done, and no cracking.
You are right on the black. It looks grey and I don't care for it personally. Looks good on a yellow house though. You'd be surprised.
Warranty work, yes......they pay a decent price if you get a good rep.
As far as popularity...up here it is Timberline because people can't learn a new word. They think Timberline is a name for "multi-layer shingle"
Lately all the stormers are using Owens or Iko because of incentives and price.
As far as popularity...up here it is Timberline because people can't learn a new word. They think Timberline is a name for "multi-layer shingle"
Lately all the stormers are using Owens or Iko because of incentives and price.
Certainteed Landmarks would go in my house.
Peffer, where do yours shingles come from?
It is complete opposite here. I have a Landmark and a Timberline side by side quite often, and it's very easy to see the Landmark is better quality. I've even taken the laminates apart to compare.
The Landmark is heavier per square, thicker shingle, better AR because the have more copper, the laminate is held by 3 tar strips instead of 2, and the accent is usually more on the Landmark also.
No fiberglass slivers when you are done, and no cracking.
You are right on the black. It looks grey and I don't care for it personally. Looks good on a yellow house though. You'd be surprised.
I'm in western Michigan, my Landmarks come out of the Avery Ohio plant.
Not sure where the O/C and GAFs come from.
The first time I ever noticed was I ordered some black landmarks and my distributor was newer to the area then and ran out of the black. They took a small loss and sent out some GAF's.
To this day, I go past that roof, and it's much more impressive on just a little ranch style home than any black landmark I've installed.
I'd love it if Landmarks impressed me as much, as they are still 90% of what I'll be installing and recommending my customers, simply because of the incentives and prices I get from buying in volume.
Lowes losses money when I buy OC from them just to gain my business, and I still pay about a buck more per sq than what I get landmarks for.
:clap: sounds like you have some of the same rejects around your area, lol.Warranty work, yes......they pay a decent price if you get a good rep.
As far as popularity...up here it is Timberline because people can't learn a new word. They think Timberline is a name for "multi-layer shingle"
Lately all the stormers are using Owens or Iko because of incentives and price.
Seems most people just put what ever they see everyone else installing on.
I can't recall the last time I saw anyone other than us actually using grace on a roof, or know what metric starter is.
Lots of guys are still cutting up 3 tabs that "almost" match the landmark colors.
I'll give you GAF as EQUAL TO Certainteed but on no day of the week are O.C. better than they are. Though they are a good shingle and would use them "on my house"if I got the right deal, or simply did not have the extra funds for the aforementioned brands.Consumers reports probably do put them at the top, landmarks at 70 a square are a good price.
But as far as quality.....I still say it's almost obvious as a slap in the face that O/C and GAF are better.
You could lay them next to each other and see easy.
CertainTeed is so popular because of it's marketing and contractor/distributor incentives not because of a suburb product.
Ever do CertainTeed warantee work? they give you 50 a square off/on.
When looking at a product to be "best" I think of all around.
Quality, reliability, warranty, WORKABILITY. O.C.'s extreem tar line get too sticky too fast, and have way more loose granules than Certainteed or GAF. I also notice on O.C.'s, the base and applique laminated layers are often off as much as 1/4-3/8". One of the reasons Certainteed is so large in the north is because when they were "4 a squares", they were paper bundled and predominatley stored indoors. Consumer reports' is about who's overall ASTM ratings are highest not price.
now ask me, What kind of lifetime shingle I choose?
Presidental TL's. (not that I'd ever put them on my current house!)
The last roof I did was O.C and I had to reseal several laminate tabs.it's very easy to see the Landmark is better quality. I've even taken the laminates apart to compare.
The Landmark is heavier per square, thicker shingle, better AR because the have more copper, the laminate is held by 3 tar strips instead of 2, and the accent is usually more on the Landmark also.
No fiberglass slivers when you are done, and no cracking.
You are right on the black. It looks grey and I don't care for it personally. Looks good on a yellow house though. You'd be surprised.
Looks aren't everything, how about you compare the last Brownwood you did to your last burnt sienna roof, or O.C. Driftwood to weathered wood.Honestly, the GAF Timb's look better than the CertainTeeds too.
CertainTeed 30 year shingles are not "high def" which is kind of B.S. if you ask me. The shadow accent is not as sharp, so the shingles don't look as bold unless you use a 50 year (lifetime) shingle.
Seriously look at the last 30 year black Landmark you put down, then go look at a black 30 year GAF or Oak Ridge. The Landmark 30's look like they are 10 years old compared to them.
I perfer whatever my lumber yard stands behind the most.
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