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Hello everyone,

So, I had a company create my website. I have them doing ppc, Facebook and Seo. It's been over 7 months and haven't seen any roi. The ppc campaigns are 500 a month alone. Any insights?

Www.abmandson.com
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First off, the way the copy reads it has "Barrington" about a million and a half times, mostly out of reasonable context and sometimes not even grammatically correct. Using Barrington as some sort of descriptor for everything (Barrington remodel, Barrington basement) makes it sound much more like a product line than a place. This is likely done for SEO which is a good thing in moderation but also can make websites seem impersonal and rather fake when overboard.

Secondly, at $500/month you should at least have leads here and there. If you dont, there could be a number of reasons including a site that is not doing its job to really sell your company, or the CPC settings are targeting the wrong things and not making conversions.

How are you tracking leads?
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You should express this to Aaron. For $500 a month some of that is the management costs, right? but there should be fine tuning with the ppc results you are getting. As well as split testing copy.
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JBM said:
You should express this to Aaron. For $500 a month some of that is the management costs, right? but there should be fine tuning with the ppc results you are getting. As well as split testing copy.
Jbm -
I started with them on January. Their pricing is very reasonable. I ended up doing their Seo package, social media package, Ppc. Seven months and haven't had much traffic as expected. I had a 10-11 customers leads from it. I honestly thought I'd get more traffic. Yes, that's with the Managment of campaign.
Just a couple of thoughts.... I think the copy needs some work. Just looking at the home page, I saw these things without clicking on "read more"....

Design & Build Services

Our new construction specialists can take your concept, from blueprints through final build and sweep up. Our designers will work with you to further develop the concept for your new construction and our builders work closely with you throughout the build process to ensure your complete satisfaction with the project.

Cleaning it up a bit....

Design & Build Services

Our new construction specialists can take your project design from concept to blueprints, right through final build and clean up. Our designers and builders will work closely with you in all aspects of your project to ensure your complete satisfaction in every respect.

And this one....

Room Additions

Why move when you can build out and build up! A professionally completed room addition allow you to maximize and grow your property's space to keep up with your family's growing needs. Our expertly designed room additions will naturally flow with the current structure of your home.

Tweaked a little bit as well (mostly grammar and punctuation)....

Room Additions

Why move when you can build out and build up? A professionally completed room addition, will allow you to maximize and increase your property's space, to keep up with your family's growing needs. Our expertly designed room additions, will naturally flow with the current structure of your home.
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Follow up....

I know it's popular today to have the scrolling picture headers in the website. And, you certainly have some sharp photos. But every time I tried to really LOOK at one of them.... it disappeared to the next set of pictures.

IMHO.... that scrolling needs to be slowed WAY down. I finally gave up trying to look at one of the photos that caught my interest. After waiting for it to come back three or four times and trying to look at the detail, only to have it whisk away too darned fast.... I got annoyed and quit trying to look.

Not trying to be mean, just offering an opinion from a first time visitor to your site.

FWIW, the colors, backgrounds and layout was sharp and easy on the eyes....
Do you know where you basic rankings are at right now? You should at least track 10 to some degree, I have 210 that I browse from time to time, not so much anymore, but once in a while ill check it out if I feel like the phone was slow that week.

You could post some original blog posts showing off your recent projects with tactfully placed links in them.
Don't have a website

I was thinking of creating a website but from what you're saying I might not. I think that just by setting yourself apart from competitors by offering things like mobile payment as well as working on advertising locally that should generate enough word of mouth to generate new customers.
You started in Jan. and have 3 page links that say "coming soon"? Or did you just redo those?

What is a Barrington remodeling contractor? I click on the links but it never tells me what that is. ***nevermind, I see it is your town****


Just to clarify....I worked in corporate IT for 10 years, I've seen how much businesses get ripped off, I do all my own web work (for better or worse), and I'm critical of a lot of these companies.

That being said.....isn't YOUR web site supposed to be selling YOU?

There are a lot of kitchen remodeling experts in the country, most of whom are independent interior decorators or are consultants in decorating supplies stores. These Arlington Heights experts usually also have their own team of experts to handle all aspects of remodeling including carpentry work, electrical work, plumbing, and finishing. Among the services that you might expect to see in professional listings of remodeling experts include: concept design and floor plan, construction plan, budget estimates, material selection and sourcing, and project management and supervision. You will find that these professional decorators who have had significant experience in their field over the years would also be able to source great deals for you in terms of sourcing your decorating materials and fixtures – they usually have contacts and suppliers who extend discounts for the business that they bring in. Aside from looking through listings of professional decorators on the internet or in your local business pages, you can ask around and get referrals from your family, friends, and neighbors who have contracted remodeling professionals recently.

You want to carefully check the background of these decorating Arlington Heights professionals to see whether they have the kind of expertise you are looking for and have proven to be reliable in the services that they provide as evidenced by their satisfied customers – looking at pictures of previous jobs they have done would give you an idea about the quality of work that they do. Interviewing your shortlist of potential decorators would give you a chance to ask other pertinent questions that would further demonstrate their knowledge in industry trends and construction practices. Note also the kind of training and educational credentials these Arlington Heights professionals have by way of licensing and certification as evidence of their dedication to the improvement of their practice and their adherence to strict ethical and professional standards. Reputable decorating and remodeling contractors would often have licenses, certifications, and memberships to the National Kitchen and Bath Association, the American Society of Interior Decorators, and the American Institute of Architects among others – for check also with the Better Business Bureau to make sure that there are no adverse reports involving the contractors you wish to hire for your Arlington Heights kitchen remodeling project.
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I was thinking of creating a website but from what you're saying I might not. I think that just by setting yourself apart from competitors by offering things like mobile payment as well as working on advertising locally that should generate enough word of mouth to generate new customers.
I would still recommend having a website regardless of your SEO activities. From a marketing perspective, websites "legitimize" a business for a lot of buyers . A lot of people now search Google to find companies where before it was the yellow pages which further drives the need to have them.

You do not necessarily have to do all of the SEO work if you want to focus your activities on strictly local advertising (signs, fliers etc) but having a website to back everything up is a good idea.
Hello There!

I find it's tough to balance between visually appealing for your clients and visually appealing for Google.

As a remodeling contractor you want to have a website that shows your potential clients that you have a great attention to detail. Search engines want content, or text. However, visitors typically don't read all that text and it is actually a turn off.

I've decided to go the visual route for my clients and I use my blog for the majority of content. Probably not the best way to rank high organically but it's where we are.

Also, you should request (demand) access to your site analytics as well as your adwords reports. You really need to see who's visiting your site, how long they stay, and where they came from!

good luck!
If you're not moving up the ranks I'd wonder if Google was throwing a flag for having your town name pasted a zillion times :laughing:
For $500 per month, I'd demand a weekly, biweekly or monthly report of what they did or can em. All these seo guys never want to tell you because they act like its such a trade secret or terminology that you could possibly not understand
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As a remodeling contractor you want to have a website that shows your potential clients that you have a great attention to detail. Search engines want content, or text. However, visitors typically don't read all that text and it is actually a turn off.
To a degree that's true, but you have many different types of visitors/clients so it's more in the presentation than anything. Although you don't want to overwhelm any of your visitors by putting a "wall of text" in their face as soon as they arrive, not having detail available will be a turn off to many as well.

You have to meet the needs of visitors at many different stages of their buying process, plus the different personality types that digest the information differently. Some I'll just call "executive types" because they want just the facts, simple, quick, only what's important to make a decision so they can move on to the next item on their busy list. Others won't make a decision until they explore every possible consideration. And you have everyone in between.

To explain how to accomplish this would make a very long post, but the condensed version is you have to map out the visitor path for each type of person and need, then provide a logical and obvious flow for them to follow. Even for the people who don't read in great detail, just knowing you have the information often provides a confidence boost.

The idea that lots of text is an automatic turn off is incorrect, but you are right that no one wants to be bombarded with it.

All these seo guys never want to tell you because they act like its such a trade secret or terminology that you could possibly not understand
Careful using the word All Todd, it's not all of us. :laughing:

Like Amelia said stating that she's critical of these companies, that's definitely an accurate assessment. I tried to think of a clever response to her content quote but I think it speaks all it needs to on its own. Well, almost, if you Google snippets of it you'll find it even more enlightening.

As I see it there are two extremes. One is that what we as SEO people do is some trade secret that should be guarded so the general public can never be allowed to know about it. The other is that SEO is easy. Some SEO is easy. Some concepts are simple. But as a whole, SEO is only easy until 10 other companies get serious about ranking for the same search terms you want. After that it gets increasingly difficult since the first page only has 10 spots available.
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To a degree that's true, but you have many different types of visitors/clients so it's more in the presentation than anything. Although you don't want to overwhelm any of your visitors by putting a "wall of text" in their face as soon as they arrive, not having detail available will be a turn off to many as well.

You have to meet the needs of visitors at many different stages of their buying process, plus the different personality types that digest the information differently. Some I'll just call "executive types" because they want just the facts, simple, quick, only what's important to make a decision so they can move on to the next item on their busy list. Others won't make a decision until they explore every possible consideration. And you have everyone in between.

To explain how to accomplish this would make a very long post, but the condensed version is you have to map out the visitor path for each type of person and need, then provide a logical and obvious flow for them to follow. Even for the people who don't read in great detail, just knowing you have the information often provides a confidence boost.

The idea that lots of text is an automatic turn off is incorrect, but you are right that no one wants to be bombarded with it.

Careful using the word All Todd, it's not all of us. :laughing:

Like Amelia said stating that she's critical of these companies, that's definitely an accurate assessment. I tried to think of a clever response to her content quote but I think it speaks all it needs to on its own. Well, almost, if you Google snippets of it you'll find it even more enlightening.

As I see it there are two extremes. One is that what we as SEO people do is some trade secret that should be guarded so the general public can never be allowed to know about it. The other is that SEO is easy. Some SEO is easy. Some concepts are simple. But as a whole, SEO is only easy until 10 other companies get serious about ranking for the same search terms you want. After that it gets increasingly difficult since the first page only has 10 spots available.
I post that to the standpoint that none of you guys will give it all up... if you did, then noone would pay for seo which always leaves the unknown factors :)
Actually Todd, there's no reason any of us would have to be concerned about that but SEO people that are simply aren't recognizing the realities of business. There will always be DIY'ers just like there will always be those who value their time more than the cost of hiring a pro. That principle alone is largely what keeps contractors in business.

I noted a long time ago that the really committed achievers are very careful about what they personally do. It's not that they can't learn simple tasks, they spend their mental energy differently. Most highly successful people have a very limited personal skill set. But they are very good about surrounding themselves with people who have the skills they need. They focus on leadership instead of DIY.

Obviously most of us fall below that 3% but everyone who wishes to be in the top 20% needs to adopt these practices. I'm not worried about being short of work. In fact, I struggle to give up some of my own DIY tendencies to reach higher. At least I've recognized the need but my natural self is a control freak and I've learned to let go.

You're right about the core principle though. I don't reveal every tiny little detail but not so much because I'm not willing to, when you study for years that's a serious amount of nuances and it becomes more instinct than conscious info that can be put in words.
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