There is no such law in IL and if there were I would either be 50% higher than I already am or I would be flipping burgers at Mc DOnalds because I do not agree to those terms. Every job would then be a gamble (not that they don't involve major risk already), and if that's the case I might as well just play poker tournaments all day and have fun gambling instead of working. Maybe collect welfare and disability and let you guys support my gambling habit.In the above case, here in NM, I am required by law to repair the problem and any damage that resulted from the failure of materials or labor I provided. The reason I am required to fix resulting damage is because the damage resulted from my failure to meet the minimum requirements of the law and that failure is what caused the damage. Even if the failure was a material failure, I am still the responsible party as the contractor.
Some disclaimer in my contract that says I am not responsible for the legally mandated standard of work I performed would be meaningless.
I guess Illinois is different than NM.
No it is not. If you think so, start up your own full time roofing gig and let us know how it turns out . My guess is you will be too busy hanging yourself...read into that what you will.I know that if a new roof i subbed out to a roofing company leaked and caused interior damage due to them not knowing what they were doing i would be nice first, ask them to fix the roof first and foremeost to stop further damage, and ask them to remibursh me for going over and repairing interior damages that i would initally cover and back bill...and if they did'nt want to, it'd be on like donkey kong from that point on until i got remiburshed. Having a leaky roof AFTER it's been replaced means something got screwed up somewhere, and it really is that simple....i'd have my lawyers stick that ridiculous "clause" up somebodies azz LOL!! wow...to me that screams hack- "i wanna do the work for you, but i'm not sure if i can do it right so i want to have you sign away my responsibility to the job IF i do indeed screw something up that causes you property damage"
Guess this is another one of those posts i shake my head in awe, wondering "really? this thread is real??"
It's far to easy to pinpoint what YOU did vs having one of those hack sub contractors that installs satilites. We've installed countless roofs and have never had an issue...granted not nearly as many roofs as a dedicated roofing company since that is all you deal with all day everyday, but i guess i'm lucky since my "Mayberry" like area is'nt as choked full of something for nothings...i dunno, I guess i'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around the concept of doing work, work does'nt hold up, and then charging the HO's again because i dont know how to do the job i was paid to do the first time.
Whenever you start making assumptions, bringing in outside variables like gutter light isntallers being up there and messing with things, satalite guys running their lags down through the shingles, attaching their cables down in vally flashing...seen it done...that in itself is it's own situation and has NOTHING to do with the original roof installed....so why would i have to have a 1000 page contract dealing with the warranty aspect of what if's highlighting every possible scenario of what OTHER PEOPLE do to the roof once we leave the job site?? Christ, you could use that ridiculous train of thought for every aspect of construction trades...
"what if somebody takes a huge dump and clogs the toilet", who's going to pay for the water damage to the floor, cabinets, possible carpet/ceiling in the basement if water leaks down...the plumber that installed the toilet in the first place??
"what if somebody plugs in a 25 spot outlet expansion device and overloads the circuit frying the outlet, or possibly starting a fire" is the electrician going to be on the hook for that too??
All these what if's you guys are talking about, at least the way i'm reading the original post, has nothing to do with the root question of...if you did a crappy job installing a product that lead to the degregation of other products who is responsible...well, if you put a roof on a house for me, dont know how to properly flash walls, chimney's, dormers and there is interior damage because you dont know how to perform your job..guess what- YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE since YOU did'nt do the job you were paid to do...and remember, if your paid for a job your classified as a professional so your expected to deliver professional results....roofs selling leakey roofs...completely unprofessional. Plumbers selling leaking pipes..completely unprofessional and you can damn sure beat when a plumber has a line in a wall that leaks and ruins things HE will be paying also.
again...the thought processes on here is scarey....no wonder people hate contractors if this is the mentality they're dealing with...very sad...if you cant take responsibility for your action...please, go punch a clock for somebody else, we dont need anymore like you "representing" our skilled trades, you've done plenty of damage already thank you.
Now get off your bosses computer and go hump some shingles up the ladder for him...damn grunts...never doing what they're supposed to beSo are manufacturer's defects responsible for incidental or consequential damages.
Windows, Siding, Roofs,,Washer Dryer, Fridge? NO,,,,,NO,,,,NO<<<<<<<<<NOOOOOOO
So why should we?
IF something they did caused a major problem, then by rights they ARE responsible and should be held acountable, the problem is they have more money and more lawyers so if you really in truely wanna go toe to toe to prove them wrong, they'll gladly be your huckleberry and just drag it out until your broke and are forced to give up the fight or blow you off all together in the first place which many of them do
Why would anyone risk a $1500-$2000.00 profit with the potential of tens of thousands of dollars worth of interior damage liability.
WTF are you talking about?? who's making $1500-2000 profit with the potential of tens of thousands of dollars worth of interior damage liability....the mexi's getting picked up in the HD parking lot?? the accountant who turns into handy mandy on saturday/sunday?? i'm missing your point on this??
Doing construction as a means of getting by till I get a break into the drag racing circuit: IHI Profile
This forum is for professionals. Go back to racing.
Called a joke jackass, but if your that flustered you try to highlight THAT as a jab, you my freind are in a sad stage in your life:laughing::laughing:.
I'm sorry, did I just read this right. Another Internet tough guy hiding behind Internet anonymity and doesn't even have enough posts to find his way to the basement yet but he's telling IHI, a guy who has been here for over 5 years and has over 1,500 posts that this forum is for professionals. :laughing: That's rich.This forum is for professionals. Go back to racing.