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After using the Veto XL for quite some time and loving it I still found myself lugging around my laptop bag with me where ever I went. In an effort to only have to carry one bag I figured I could remove all my underused hand tools; keep my essentials and switch to the XL-LT.

The XL-LT from the pictures appear to be almost the same bag, except for 2 added slots for a laptop and/or paperwork. One side is identical to the XL (lets call this the tools side) yet the other has pouches for powersupply, wires, pens etc (lets call this the accessory side). After some thought it went on my long list of tools to buy….Magically it appeared on Christmas morning.

As I went through weeding out my tools and filling up my new bag things were going great…Until I tried to zip-up the bag.

It was then that I realized the allocation of space in the bag as a little different from the XL. The bag is basically the same dimensions, uses what appears to be the same plastic base. When they added in the 2X middle lap-top slots they sacrificed the space from the tool side. Forget about parking your measuring tape, chalk line, hammer or any bulky tool on the tool side. Even with a bunch of screwdrivers the side fills up quicker then I had hoped.

The accessory side, however, has about the same extra space as the XL but it uses a bunch of large soft neoprene pouches, which are a little stretchy by not as rugged as the nylon pouches. Suffice it to say I have to store my punches, speed squarer and other fat tools in the accessory side.

Only other minor differences are the XL-LT does not have my beloved pencil holding slots on the side. But it does have a loop-and-clasp for electrical tape.

It is still a very well made bag and I like it and plan on continuing to use it but I don’t think I will have that much more appreciation for it over the XL. I now have to have all the tools that I can’t fit in it in various systainer kits. It will take a few months of use to really get a feel whether I’m going to jump back to the old XL or keep the XL-LT in action.

The XL sells for about 135USD where the XL-LT is 225USD so you are paying a big premium for the laptop slots…which are pretty skinny and don’t offer a heck of a lot of room, but they fit my laptop, router and netbook all at the same time.

Bottom line is that the bag could be 200% better if it had a wider base in the tool side, or at-least a little extra material on the zip-up cover so I could load all the pockets with tools and still be able to zip the bag up!

I wouldn’t say I’m disappointed overall, but I’m a little miffed that someone NEVER actually tried to fill the bag with tools and test it out before sending it to market….Veto I love your bags but next time test out a prototype with real tradesmen before marketing it.

And since I’m Canadian I don’t qualify for the free Stabila level…great.

PS: Pic from Veto website, I will post my own soon.


Cheers,


Kevin



 

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I'm well aware of the lap-top systainer, but I use the laptop so much it deserves a place in the bag. Just throw the bag over the shoulder and I have everything I need for service work.

As much as I love systainers as much as you do, but I can't ever see replacing a tool bag with one if you catch my drift.

My consensus is the LT-XL would be perfect if I had a bigger flap or most base-space on the tool side!
 

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Warner, you are correct.

Have a look at your bag, notice how there is a nice space between the bottom pockets and the walls of the plastic base? There is lots of room to have a pair of radios, a chalk-line, flashlight, hammer, speed-square, bulky stuff like that....and there is plenty of room to load the crap out of the pockets and still zip it up!

The XL-LT stole that space for the laptop slots. Now you cannot put screwdrivers in the skinny outside screwdriver slots, they are basically useless. If you load up all the pockets it just won't zip up period. So you cannot take advantage of all the tool pockets because the flat will not zip up and over them.

Like I said, someone though of a good idea but failed to field test it first...I think I'l send them an email and let them know of the issues. I'm happy enough with it but I'd say its a pretty big fault.
 

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Emailed Veto, they responded almost immediately saying they will take my suggestions into consideration. And they forwarded me the form for Canadian residents so I can get my Stabila level.:clap:
 

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Keep us posted on this. I am looking very hard at the XLT and don't want to be let down.
 

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Cole, I will get some pics up later tonight for you so you can get a feel for the capacity. All i can say is that if you went from the XL to the XL-LT and expected the tool-side to be identical (like I did) you will be disappointed.
 

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OK Cole this is for you:

This is the XL, I didn't feel like filling it with tools this time so if you want to see it full of tools look at my Veto album, (pics also linked in another Veto thread). Instead of Tools I used 3 beer bottles and a toy car.



Still lots of room to close the flap, even over the toy truck.



Notice the room in the bottom, you can really fill the pockets and it has room to spare!



Now, notice how the LT still has decent room for stuff on the accessory side?



Now, look at the tool side: No room what so ever, the screwdriver holders and pockets are even squished against the plastic base so you can't put any tools inside them! Pretty stupid if you ask me...and yes the flap is fully unziped.

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I then folded up the flap to show how it will almost not even close even though its not even close to full tool capacity.



Side by Side



Overhead, the XL will close easily but the LTXL is tight; and you can see that the laptop slots make the bag alot wider at the top so it is more square as opposed to tapered.



Finally just a pic to show the lap-top slots:

 

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Inner, it looks like you got every thing you need in there! Some beers and your hunting knife:laughing::laughing:
And you wouldn't believe the fun you can have with the car.:thumbup:

Cole, I will let you know in a few more weeks how my true feelings are on it...but as of now:

As a lap-top bag it is alright but kinda heavy and bulky...yet very heavy duty. The laptop spaces are a little tight for carrying files and folders. The tool side kinda blows, why squish so many pockets in there if I can't put any tools in them?

The more I think about it and use it the more disappointed I am, I will give it a bit more time but I may end up switching back to the XL and putting the laptop and accessories in a systainer.

Is it worth 330 bucks Canadian...no. Would it be worth 330 bucks if they actually left room to put tools in the pockets by using a slightly wider base or allocating space better? Absolutely it would be perfect.

This is an exert from my email to Veto, I cut out the fluff:

" Unfortunately there is inadequate room to fill the tool side with tools and still close the bag. The other side has plenty of room at the base for laptop accessories but the tool side is far too small. This would not be a big problem if the zip cover on the tool side would be made out of more material and would balloon over the tools. As of now I cannot fill all the pockets and still close the flap; so I now have tools piled in the other side haphazardly.The long and short of it is, I like the bag but I'm disappointed by the fact that it obviously was not tested in the field before production.
I enjoy your products and I hope that you take my suggestions into consideration. I would be more then happy to send you pictures of my tools and how the design of the bag limits itself. "

The president emailed me back almost immediately:

"Hi Kevin, Thank you very much for your feedback on the LT-XL. I will forward this to our design team."

 

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Unless you are using a laptop designed for rough service I would not consider carrying it in a bag with regular tools, I always carried mine in a backpack that was designed strictly for carrying a laptop and it's accessories, including a small printer.
 

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KTS I understand your point of view but...rough service laptops cost alot. A good tough Lenovo is still a couple grand. The laptops in that pic are a older HP that costs about 800 bucks over 2.5 years ago, and a netbook that costs me 160...I back up everything on a NAS drive and I could care less is one was smashed to bits. I do not need very much processing power so the net book is perfect, it boots up super fast, is very small and light and has fantastic battery power.

The LT-XL does a very good job protecting the laptop, I don't feel it is endanger what so ever in this bag. I have always carried my lap-tops in old beat-up bags, on job sites, planes, wherever and it has never presented a problem. The whole point of getting the LT-XL was so I would be down to one bag instead of 2...I do a lot of programming on site and most jobs I do I need a laptop as well as hand tools.
 

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KTS I understand your point of view but...rough service laptops cost alot. A good tough Lenovo is still a couple grand. The laptops in that pic are a older HP that costs about 800 bucks over 2.5 years ago, and a netbook that costs me 160...I back up everything on a NAS drive and I could care less is one was smashed to bits. I do not need very much processing power so the net book is perfect, it boots up super fast, is very small and light and has fantastic battery power.

The LT-XL does a very good job protecting the laptop, I don't feel it is endanger what so ever in this bag. I have always carried my lap-tops in old beat-up bags, on job sites, planes, wherever and it has never presented a problem. The whole point of getting the LT-XL was so I would be down to one bag instead of 2...I do a lot of programming on site and most jobs I do I need a laptop as well as hand tools.
When I was still working in the plumbing trade I was carrying a Dell with enough memory to run a full Autocad program, I think I paid around $2500.00 for it new, I could whip out an as built drawing in less than a half hour with it, but it was not a toughbook by any means. I can't remember the last time I turned it on now that I think about it.
 

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When I was still working in the plumbing trade I was carrying a Dell with enough memory to run a full Autocad program, I think I paid around $2500.00 for it new, I could whip out an as built drawing in less than a half hour with it, but it was not a toughbook by any means. I can't remember the last time I turned it on now that I think about it.

Hey killer, If you don't mind me asking. What are you into now?


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