[PrecisionTaping]

Am I A "GC", sure, but I do most of my own work. I don't sub much work out. I do all my drywall, carpentry, minor plumbing and electrical. So I am speaking from what I know.

I'll ask you the same thing I asked 2buck, how much mesh have you installed? My guess is not a lot, if any, and your response will be because it sucks.

So it is okay for you to not have much experience with something and be the expert at it, but apparently GC's cannot? I know, I know, you have had to fix a lot of mesh jobs, but again, I am pretty positive that the problem, in most cases, had nothing to do with the tape, and more to do with the installation of the drywall and or mudding job.

Ya but Rob, what you dont understand is when you say "How much mesh have you installed? My guess is probably not allot"
Well allot of tape to a guy who does general contracting and allot of tape to a professional taper, two completely different things.

If I say, I used mesh for a year and didn't like it! It sucked.
Well If I averaged taping one house a week at 5rolls of 500ft mesh per house. And instead of 52 weeks in a year, we'll say I only worked 48 for fun. Although lets be honest. Were tapers. So were broke! So odds are we did work 52 weeks. But just for fun, lets do the math on 48 weeks.
5Rolls a week (which isnt much) at 500ft a roll = 2500ft/wk.
2500 x 48 weeks = 120,000Ft of tape.

How many taping jobs did you do in a year? A couple little renos?
Maybe one a month? In which you maybe used....1roll of tape?

You gotta understand, we do this day in and day out.
When we say we only used it for a bit and didnt like it, its most likely more tape than what you will do in 5 years.

 

[2buckcanuck]

Am I A "GC", sure, but I do most of my own work. I don't sub much work out. I do all my drywall, carpentry, minor plumbing and electrical. So I am speaking from what I know.

I'll ask you the same thing I asked 2buck, how much mesh have you installed? My guess is not a lot, if any, and your response will be because it sucks.

So it is okay for you to not have much experience with something and be the expert at it, but apparently GC's cannot? I know, I know, you have had to fix a lot of mesh jobs, but again, I am pretty positive that the problem, in most cases, had nothing to do with the tape, and more to do with the installation of the drywall and or mudding job.

Me again:clap:

Let me fulfill you with some Opinions on mesh, From what I gathered over at DWT.

A LOT OF IT DEALS WITH WHERE YOU LIVE

For example, those that live in extreme humid or coastal areas, tend to use mesh tape. Well those that live in more northern climates, or dry areas, go for the paper tape.

lets say if I were to pick on the kiwi's:whistling

Paper tape and all purpose mud just won't dry for them, they say it will stay wet for days, (same in Scotland too). Their more shocked at how much mud we used, opposed to hotmuds. Other places , that I have heard mentioned where they might use mesh in the states, are places like Florida, or Hawaii. These places don't have the drastic weather swings, Like say, Canada, or where you live.

There are other places where mesh will be used too, like stucco,veneer plaster, or cement board. Alot of guys will use it on old plaster repairs.

So, over at DWT, it's a world community, we accept things will be done different from area to area. What we don't accept, is some clown that comes on the site, and proclaims his way, is the right way, and the only way to do things. Even if someone agrees with them, they will try to knock him off his pedestal.:thumbsup:

 

[Mudshark]

For Sale

For Sale - Partial roll of mesh tape.

Only used a few feet.

10 cents obo - plus shipping and handling charges

 

[PrecisionTaping]

Haha!!

 

[Mudshark]

I live in a coastal area with lots of humidity and paper tape is the tape of choice. I would say Vancouver Island has a similar climate to New Zealand.



What the heck 2buck, when we put the tapes on it is wet so the rest is just a matter of drying out the tapes. Not a good enough excuse to warrant using hotmuds and fibre tape. Sure it takes a bit longer in these damper conditions to dry our tapes, that is what they make heaters for.

 

[2buckcanuck]

I live in a coastal area with lots of humidity and paper tape is the tape of choice. I would say Vancouver Island has a similar climate to New Zealand.



What the heck 2buck, when we put the tapes on it is wet so the rest is just a matter of drying out the tapes. Not a good enough excuse to warrant using hotmuds and fibre tape. Sure it takes a bit longer in these damper conditions to dry our tapes, that is what they make heaters for.

I should let the kiwi's answer this one :laughing:

But they don't get spoiled like us, getting heaters, dehumidifiers and so forth. Now we need Cazna to join here, I know he will explain it to you

 

[Kiwiman]

Kiwiman - you trying to stir it up a bit?

:no:...... :sneaky2:

 

[PowerWash]

About 5 years ago a buddy of mine put a hot tub in his garage (after painting it). Within a year all the paper tape was peeling off (when I say all... I mean all). He went to lowes bought all purpose mud and a couple rolls of mesh tape. Somehow he convienced me to help (free beer:thumbsup. We used mesh tape on the butt ends, long ends and... wait for it... inside corners. We also used the funky little corner tool for pulling the mud on the inside corner . Then finished it off with Valspar primer and Valspar latex . He made the comment that it looked better than the sheetrock work inside the house :thumbup:. That was 4 years ago and it is still looking great to this day...:laughing:

 

[Sir Mixalot]

 

[ohiohomedoctor]

.......:laughing:

Yeah f it your right. Go home drywallers! :laughing:

BTW mixalot you started with the whole your are welcome here crap. Figured it came from above. Guess not, soooo, you specialized guys are mindless nubes... :laughing:

The difference between me and you is after I finish the drywall they let me finish the job... :whistling:

Try paper taping some crown molding. Or managing some expectations.. Or anything that doesnt involve staring at a wall all day..

Is that better? :laughing:


Kiwi Kiwi Kiwi Kiwi Kiwi whack...

 

[PrecisionTaping]

About 5 years ago a buddy of mine put a hot tub in his garage (after painting it). Within a year all the paper tape was peeling off (when I say all... I mean all). He went to lowes bought all purpose mud and a couple rolls of mesh tape. Somehow he convienced me to help (free beer:thumbsup. We used mesh tape on the butt ends, long ends and... wait for it... inside corners. We also used the funky little corner tool for pulling the mud on the inside corner . Then finished it off with Valspar primer and Valspar latex . He made the comment that it looked better than the sheetrock work inside the house :thumbup:. That was 4 years ago and it is still looking great to this day...:laughing:

And what kind of paint did you use the first time to cause all the tapes falling off!? :laughing:

 

[Kiwiman]

I should let the kiwi's answer this one :laughing:

But they don't get spoiled like us, getting heaters, dehumidifiers and so forth. Now we need Cazna to join here, I know he will explain it to you

It's taping mud that takes too long to dry, it seems to retain the moisture for longer, hot mud first coat has always been the norm here, our systems are governed (and monopolised) by "Winstones Wallboards" they sell the board, mud, papertape and make the rules accordingly, I must say their hotmud (Tradeset) is good stuff and is a different breed than any American stuff I've tried, there is still a huge number of Kiwi's that flip their finger at Winstones and use other brands (USG etc) regardless
Fibafuse for example is reported to be 70% stronger than papertape (and no I'm not going to debate that) yet they won't test and approve it for use....Why?....because it is made or marketed by their opposition, what better product for an earthquake battered area like ours. I did a relocateable house with Fibafuse and after it was relocated the board itself broke but the joins didn't.

As far as humidity in NZ is concerned it depends where you live, during the summer my area (eastcoast south Is) is hot and dry, over on the westcoast (south Is) it's hot and wet.....get you mind out of the gutter :sneaky2:

 

[Mudshark]

About 5 years ago a buddy of mine put a hot tub in his garage (after painting it). Within a year all the paper tape was peeling off (when I say all... I mean all). He went to lowes bought all purpose mud and a couple rolls of mesh tape. Somehow he convienced me to help (free beer:thumbsup. We used mesh tape on the butt ends, long ends and... wait for it... inside corners. We also used the funky little corner tool for pulling the mud on the inside corner . Then finished it off with Valspar primer and Valspar latex . He made the comment that it looked better than the sheetrock work inside the house :thumbup:. That was 4 years ago and it is still looking great to this day...:laughing:

When your buddy put the paper tape on five years ago, did he use the correct product to adhere the tape. (ie taping mud)??? If it all peeled off it sounds like it may have likely been a case of someone not knowing better using regular mud rather than taping mud.

The drywall we put in houses and around bathtubs is not designed to be waterproof. That is why drywall is usually covered with a good paint that will resist water. How was it originally covered??

Your story may tell us that paper tape failed and when you replaced it with mesh and covered it it didnt fail (yet). It sounds to me that when he first put it in 5 years ago it may not have been done correctly.

 

[2buckcanuck]

you specialized guys are mindless nubes... :laughing:




Kiwi Kiwi Kiwi Kiwi Kiwi whack...

You might want to re-think that one:whistling

 

[PrecisionTaping]

and the discussion is heating up as we go into the 12th page of this epic paper vs mesh discussion!! Lets get ready to ruuuummmble!!

 

[Mudshark]

Somehow reading many of the posts I am reminded of that old saying..

Jack of All Trades - Master of none

 

[ohiohomedoctor]

I really dont care. I was just responding to be called an azz kisser. To each his own. You do you, I do me.


And oh yeah, the specialized animal dies. I think that was darwin but Im a little tipsy..

We cool, we cool....

 

[Sir Mixalot]

I really dont care. I was just responding to be called an azz kisser.

Ok. I take my smiley back. And your not an a$$ kisser anymore.

 

[PowerWash]

When your buddy put the paper tape on five years ago, did he use the correct product to adhere the tape. (ie taping mud)??? If it all peeled off it sounds like it may have likely been a case of someone not knowing better using regular mud rather than taping mud.

The drywall we put in houses and around bathtubs is not designed to be waterproof. That is why drywall is usually covered with a good paint that will resist water. How was it originally covered??

Your story may tell us that paper tape failed and when you replaced it with mesh and covered it it didnt fail (yet). It sounds to me that when he first put it in 5 years ago it may not have been done correctly.

The house was less than year old when he painted and put the hot tub in. I am pretty sure he used the same cheap Valspar stuff to paint before re-taping. I am sure it was already primed because this was a tract home and that is the way all the tract home garages around here get finished in my area (no finish coat of mud and spray primed along with inside of the house).

It sure is funny that the mesh and all purpose held up better than the paper.:whistling

 

[ohiohomedoctor]

Ok. I take my smiley back. And your not an a$$ kisser anymore.

:laughing: dont feed the mods... :whistling: kiwi!