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Mike Finley said:
See dude - this is where you lose it...



Who the fu#k suggested you should move? Who the fu#k gives a sh!t one way or the other? The only comments made about moving were from me to MAJ not you, and they weren't comments directed at suggesting he move either. Man, do me a favor and reread everything 3 times before you respond. I only say this because you post some great stuff and you make some great comments and insights, but then you throw in some off the wall comment such as this one or the one before about you "getting hammered" and you're off in left field - then when it's addressed and I mean specifically, even quoted verbatim you then go off on another loo - WTF????

Your take stuff way to personally. I say this in the most sincere way possible - but this forum and everyones opinions aren't spinning around you and your world.

I'm only making this last effort toward you because I have no animosity toward you and respect you - at least as much as I can respect some anonymous entity on the internet that calls himself "Joasis". Stick around or sulk, I would rather you stick around and I'm sure others would too, but I'm all done with the walking on eggshells crap around you. The problem seems to be you have a hard time interpreting and comprehending what is written and end up taking it all personally. That's a problem you are going to have to deal with.

I'm going to continue to spout off about sh!t I know nothing about for as long as I can!:shifty:
Word 4 word, totally agree, reading comprehension is a must to gain from and/or contribute anything in a forum.
 
nadonailer said:
Materials
Labor
Overhead
Profit
Contractor's fee or Mark up"

No way! The customer has no business knowing any of this, let alone a business' overhead, profit and markup! Are you crazy? We are running a business, just like any doctor or lawyer. Ask them to break down their business like this... As long as Contractors operate with this mentality, they are going nowhere. IMHO!
Also, markup should be 100%
words right out of my mouth
 
maj said:
Materials are delivered, I don't get them or pick them up.
I don't select the materials
I don't haul materials, if I do I'm getting paid damn good for it!!
I absolutely don't store materials
I don't return materials, lumberyard picks them up, or ho takes them back
I don't warranty materials, that's what the manufacturer is for.
I don't have alot of overhead, as far as materials go
I only guarantee my work
word 4 word:thumbsup:
 
maj said:
Yes, I UNDERSTAND all that Mike....




Here's the difference.....
Materials are delivered, I don't get them or pick them up.
I don't select the materials
I don't haul materials, if I do I'm getting paid damn good for it!!
I absolutely don't store materials
I don't return materials, lumberyard picks them up, or ho takes them back
I don't warranty materials, that's what the manufacturer is for.

So as you can see.....
I don't have alot of overhead, as far as materials go
I have no reason to mark-up, since I'm not handling them
I only guarantee my work
I thank you for your details, and I will once again give the benefit of the doubt that you are just shedding light on your operation, because if you aren't and you are defending your business policies you don't have to. If it wasn't clear in anything I said, then I will state it clearly once again.
This is the facts of the contracting world - (I know because I came down from the mountains with this stuff on some rock tablets I found up there.)

#1 You can mark-up or not, that is your choice.
#2 Mark up is not a rip-off to a customer. Mark-up is legitimate.

Now everybody here can give opinions on #1 and #2 but it won't change that #1 and #2 are written in stone and are facts. Somebody who doesn't want to mark up for whatever reasons they have - market won't support it, they don't agree with the policy, don't think they are able to justify it, is fine but they can't support their position by saying #2 is false.

Now just to start the ball rolling here is my position based upon the way I do business and the type of business I'm in which might differe from yours...


Materials are delivered, I don't get them or pick them up.
I don't select the materials
I don't haul materials, if I do I'm getting paid damn good for it!!
I absolutely don't store materials
I don't return materials, lumberyard picks them up, or ho takes them back
I don't warranty materials, that's what the manufacturer is for.
We do do all of the above and while we don't warranty over a manufacturers warranty. If cicumstances arise that a manufacturers warranty is called into play, I can be pretty much 100% certain that I will be spending time with the customer in order for them to reach that conclusion. Customers rarely find something wrong with a product installed by a contractor and don't call the contractor first. Maybe others don't run into this but I certainly do and I want it that way. I never want to position my company as an installer. We offer a total solution from start to finish, and maybe that is part of the reason why it is so easy to charge way more than others do, including marking up materials?

Mark up good or bad? I don't really care either way, but I'm certainly not going to light $50,000 a year in pure profit (and growing!), hard cash on fire, no-way no-how. I like money too much, especially easy money.:)
 
Mike,

Your position is valid, especially for your market (that is what you know, after all). For myself, I don't have a specfic percentage of mark up calculated into my materials but I do take into account ALL of the work it takes to get that material to the site. For example, the majority of the time I have all my lumber delivered on site. I pick up everything else - screws, saddle brackets, joist hangers, nails, sonotubes, etc, etc. Now, like I said, I don't have a specific percentage that is added to all the materials but I do take into account the time it takes me to create my material list, order the lumber and pick up all the other supplies. For me, I factor all of this into my square footage/linear footage pricing. So far, it has worked for me.

Also, I'm glad to see that Mike got this thread more or less back on topic. Honestly, I never saw anything that said that anyone's method was "right or wrong" compared to someone else's - just a lot of constructive opinions about how people do things in "their own market".

I think the phrase "to each his/her own" is extremely relevant to this whole topic! Let's move on folks!
 
OK, this thread is closed.

Why don't we just stick to the topic... report bad posts... and/or Private Message people who you have a problem with.

Specific problems with specific people are usually handled best via PM.
 
While ignoring the bile, I have been thinking about what I personally would consider a fair advance on a custom home. Arranged through the bank, I would have no problem with a 30% deposit, nor would I have a problem paying the interest on that loan as funded by the bank. I would expect that 30% deposit to carry through to 30% completion before the next draw, though.
 
Tscarborough said:
While ignoring the bile, I have been thinking about what I personally would consider a fair advance on a custom home. Arranged through the bank, I would have no problem with a 30% deposit, nor would I have a problem paying the interest on that loan as funded by the bank. I would expect that 30% deposit to carry through to 30% completion before the next draw, though.

Seems absolutely reasonable. Any builder who can't work within those parameters, might reconsider how they structure their payment schedule.

What is an "18 yr old CT" :help:
 
realpurty2 said:
Shew, I thought I was the only one on here wondering the same thing. lol

So wise ole men folk, enlighten us. What is an 18yr old CT?
I should have said this thread opens and closes more often than the legs of an 18 year old CT.

CT =
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+ TEASE

:) :) :)
 
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