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Just wandering if any of you guys were union, and any thoughts on the subject. I for one am not a part of a union nor have I ever felt the need to work union.
 

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I'm in a union, but only for the work when it comes along, which is not very often.

I've been to a couple union meetings; They're like an Obama love fest. They talk about how many jobs Obama is going to bring, yet since he's taken office we've lost 136,000 construction jobs in my state alone. They love to flash their "Live Better/Work Union" stickers, yet in the past two years I have only received 2 weeks worth of work from them, which is a joke! There's no way in hell anyone could make a living working union, at least not here. Last union meeting I went to the members were saying they should change the sticker to "Live Poor/Work Union". Around a thousand people sitting on the out-of-work list out of my local alone.

I could sit here for hours explaining how corrupt they are. The business agents give all the jobs to their buddies and everyone else starves.
 

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I was just curious. I have never personally understood the need for unions. My grand father was a big union guy, and a democrat. But no socialist. Technically his beliefs were conservative beliefs. He did go through the great depression so that may had a big driving force in his decision and maybe there was a need for them at some point and time.
I have worked around a lot of union contractors and it has always seemed to me that they are very unproductive nowadays. Not trying to be anti union but it seems that it causes the prices to skyrocket to the point of no return.
I do know a lot of union guys and it is a big buddy system. But what system isn't.
 

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I joined the carpenters union after I went out of business. They promise you a lot but don't deliver on much. Their medical insurance is sky high.
You pay them 2 dollars an hour plus dues just for the privilege of working. The business agent keeps two list of out of work workers. One on the board and the other one in his brief case for his buddies.
But, I enjoyed my five years.
I lucked out and got in with a good company that kept me busy 6-7 months a year and would pick up short assignments from different companies in the winter--working shut downs at power plants and factories and stuff like that. I worked with some good people and made a lot of friends.
I'd worked in residential building for over 30 years and heavy highway commercial was a whole new experience. They were very safe and treated the employees like we were human beings. In turn, the employees worked hard and were very conscientious. They took great pride in delivering a great product on time and on schedule.
I have mixed feelings. The workers are like anyone else--just working family members trying to make a living.
The union brass is a different story. If they can figure out a way to take a dollar from a worker they will.
 

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BK can I ask why you joined?
I joined back just after high school like 15 years ago. One of my best friends from school, his dad was a BA at the local union and called me up one day and asked if I wanted a job. It was making $4 an hour more then I was at some office job so I did it. When ever I was laid off from a job, I just called him up and said they laid me off. He would have a job for me the next day. There would be 500 guys on the out of work list, starving, and I would get a job without even losing a days pay. He retired after a few years, so I lost that inside connection. Back then I didn't know anything about politics or how the union was connected. All I wanted was a job. After that I did residential non-union for years. Still do some commercial work with the union, but not very often.
 

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They promise you a lot but don't deliver on much. Their medical insurance is sky high.
The business agent keeps two list of out of work workers. One on the board and the other one in his brief case for his buddies.
That's the truth! I've seen it all first hand.

I wonder what happens to all the money they take from members paychecks who can't even have the insurance because they didn't work enough hours?

 

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wow. sounds like hostile territory. I was and still am a union carpenter. I am a staunch conservative.
Union carpentry in NYC is the best. The dues are dirt cheap, the pay is $43 per hour with $35 per hour benefits. You get the best training for free. If you're a good worker that hustles, you work steady in a decent economy. if you suck you get laid off instantly. I find most people that bash unions ( i mean trade unions) have never been in themselves, or have had bad experiences, or couldn't cut the mustard. Sure you get guys who know someone, and take advantage but you also get that non union. I did not sign my company with union yet, but soon as i could compete in that world I will.
 

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It is very sad that most people today have a dislike for Unions- They don't remember the good old days when people stuck together & fought for their rights, Wages & yes health care. They also tried to fight the big Companies from closing down & going overseas for cheap labor. They lost the battle as certain politicians got together with big business & declared war on the Unions. Well we know who won. Now we are all hurting & most people, as like right here, still bad-mouth the unions. You don't get it !

Yes, I was Union when I worked for a big Co & glad I was, even though they did have faults- but I wasn't standin alone !! There were some good people there and most immigrants that came to work here-learned that the unions were good for them & helped them with a better life.

This saying "they had their place in History" was started By the "big Business" Politicians & it is repeated over & over again ! Welll History has turned & it has been against the working people!!!!!!!!!! Who's fault is it?? Not the Unions as some of you think!!
 

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A fam friend was foreman at a jobsite and I needed a job, the pay was good, but in order to work there I had to join the carpenters union. Carpenters Local Union No 803. The good thing about Union is I had to start as an apprentice and graduate training courses and prove my hours before getting to Journeyman $21.95/hr. The benefits were great too. No complaints. Union carpenters were schooled and knew their trade. That was 30 years ago. I dont know how it is today.
 

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It is very sad that most people today have a dislike for Unions- They don't remember the good old days when people stuck together & fought for their rights, Wages & yes health care. They also tried to fight the big Companies from closing down & going overseas for cheap labor. They lost the battle as certain politicians got together with big business & declared war on the Unions. Well we know who won. Now we are all hurting & most people, as like right here, still bad-mouth the unions. You don't get it !

Yes, I was Union when I worked for a big Co & glad I was, even though they did have faults- but I wasn't standin alone !! There were some good people there and most immigrants that came to work here-learned that the unions were good for them & helped them with a better life.

This saying "they had their place in History" was started By the "big Business" Politicians & it is repeated over & over again ! Welll History has turned & it has been against the working people!!!!!!!!!! Who's fault is it?? Not the Unions as some of you think!!
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