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Two circuits on one wire

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#1 ·
Had an old customer that wanted a vanity light changed out in a basement bath. I turned the switch off and removed the old light. When putting the new fixture mount on the neutral touched the ground and went zap. Tripped breaker 7. Thought that was strange. Got my volt meter out and checked hot wire with the switch on, read 120. Hot wire is breaker 8. Turned 7 back on and checked neutral, read 120.
This is 40's vintage. Just two wires. The ground is screwed to the back of the metal box.
How is this possible? It works fine.
Brought it to the home owners attention. We agreed to cap both wires and have my electrician look at it. He can't get there until next week.;)
 
#8 ·
Ran into that when we bought our house. It was powered by a transformer at the neighbor's, a couple of hundred yards away. A heavy load on one side of the line would pop light bulbs on the other side.

POCO called it a "swinging neutral", and wound up giving us our very own transformer. But I had to fight my way through proving it to 5-6 different linemen and company reps, with my equipment and theirs. I still have a bit of a bad taste from that experience.
 
#9 ·
Another reason to install as many appliances on 240 Volt circuits...
Air compressors, furnace motors, some kitchen appliances.

Suffered the loss of several motors and battery chargers on poorly balance 2-3 phase temp panels in the last ten years...

I am guessing both houses were wired by same sparky, and had systemically uneven loading of the half phase busses. plus under sized service wire

The current generation of lighting has to be changing actual % of electrical loads compared to legacy homes 20-30 years ago, reactive vs resistance, power factor and single pole vs dual pole supply/demand...

As Green energy State & federal mandates further devolve our Nation's Electrical Grid's day in day out performance, The need for constant monitoring of the homes power and other utilities actual values versus nominal numbers will soon be standard, IMHO.
 
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