[Joe Fairplay]

Try convincing a homeowner that you're going to frame up his wall 1/2" out of plumb because the industry standards says that's ok.

Try and convince a judge that it is not. Clown.
No homeowner is going to notice a wall that is off 1/2" over 10'.
A variance of .05" per foot is nominal.
Most levels are not that accurate to begin with.
Sounds like you have never taken two levels and placed them together to set them both to the mean of the two.

 

[Pounder]

It looks like Joe FairPlay doesn't play fair, he making friends by the hour.
Are you now or previously a building inspector?

He has all these letters under his name, I assume they mean something.
FL CBC / SC RBC / SC RBI

I guess if we're going to get serious about this we should know if there is snow load. Around here the maximum roof load would amount to 400 pounds per liner foot on the walls. The larger concern would would be lateral movement between the top plate and the trusses. That would require solid blocking and A35's as a connection.

 

[MarkJames]

I figure that plumb walls (plate to plate) would stand the test of time better than fudging them, even if the eye can't see it. And this is for a shop. Would an inspector fail what appears to be a triple plate from within? Serious question from someone without all the certifications.

 

[A&E Exteriors]

All you have done is proven you have never been the one required to have an inspection and have no idea how they are conducted.
Only an hourly worker would be this misinformed.
The engineering provided by the manufacturer which is required to be onsite will show a 2X6 wall.
If it's not a 2X6 wall, you fail inspection.
The cross bracing could very well be different depending on the length of the bearing point.
Clown.

All I'm proving is that I've actually done the work and passed 100's of inspections. compliments from the building inspector are a normal occurrence for me. More recently the structural engineer told my customer that my solution was "beyond sufficient, well done, and if the building department questioned it he would sign off on it."

Standard conventional wood frame trusses only require 1 3/4" bearing

 

[Joe Fairplay]

I figure that plumb walls (plate to plate) would stand the test of time better than fudging them, even if the eye can't see it. And this is for a shop. Would an inspector fail what appears to be a triple plate from within? Serious question from someone without all the certifications.

Minimum required by code is double top.
Would not care if you had 10 as long as they are nailed properly at each layer.

 

[Joe Fairplay]

Standard conventional wood frame trusses only require 1 3/4" bearing

Who said they were standard, conventional?
A worker assumes, a boss verifies before spouting off.

 

[A&E Exteriors]

Try and convince a judge that it is not. Clown.
No homeowner is going to notice a wall that is off 1/2" over 10'.
A variance of .05" per foot is nominal.
Most levels are not that accurate to begin with.
Sounds like you have never taken two levels and placed them together to set them both to the mean of the two.

They'll notice it when I point it out to them

 

[A&E Exteriors]

Who said they were standard, conventional?
A worker assumes, a boss verifies before spouting off.

The op stated...."I am building a 40x60 2x6 stick frame shop. The foundation crew poured my walls at 40' 2" x 60'"

The op is a homeowner. He's not building anything special jack

 

[Joe Fairplay]

He just hates me because I'm not impressed with his ability to pass open book tests

I do not hate you A&E nor am I concerned with your level of impressed.
I simply disregard most of your nonsense because I have burned through 100's of guys like you.
They make excuses for not being licensed when the reality is they just could not hack being the one responsible for the entire operation.
Guys like you say things like, "I am sick of not being paid what I am worth."
Guys like me know the reality is that in this industry, everyone gets paid exactly what they are worth and in many cases are overpaid.
I am sure the other real contractors would agree that they have rarely if ever run into a worker in the construction industry that is not paid what they are worth. The worker simply has an inflated view of their value and an inability to recognize or admit their shortcomings.
Over the last ten years there has been a massive shortage of labor, so it has only gotten worse not better. In this environment I assure you, you are getting exactly what you are worth, it's just you that can't face the reality that you are not worth as much as your inflated ego has convinced yourself of.
It's just a hard truth, no hard feelings.

 

[Pounder]

Is it common to order trusses before the foundation is poured? I can count on one hand the number of times I've used them, and don't recall ordering trusses before I had a foundation to build on.

 

[Joe Fairplay]

Is it common to order trusses before the foundation is poured? I can count on one hand the number of times I've used them, and don't recall ordering trusses before I had a foundation to build on.

With wait times increasing up to 4 months, the trusses can be ordered as soon as the contract is signed, the deposit is made and the permit is issued.
I usually wait until the surveyor sets the foundation corners, to ensure there would be no need to make major alterations.
It's not like it takes them 3 or months months to build, they are processed in a day or two.
You just sit in the que waiting, so you have plenty of time to work with the engineer to make some changes if you discover the need or make an upgrade. Plenty of lag time while waiting to massage things.
At worse, you cancel the order before it hits production, in extreme cases of uh oh.
But yes, you want to get in the line as soon as practical or you will be sitting and waiting two months for trusses.

 

[Joe Fairplay]

They'll notice it when I point it out to them

Perfect example of why you have to run to Alaska to try and find a job.

 

[Pounder]

With wait times increasing up to 4 months, the trusses can be ordered as soon as the contract is signed, the deposit is made and the permit is issued.
I usually wait until the surveyor sets the foundation corners, to ensure there would be no need to make major alterations.
It's not like it takes them 3 or months months to build, they are processed in a day or two.
You just sit in the que waiting, so you have plenty of time to work with the engineer to make some changes if you discover the need or make an upgrade. Plenty of lag time while waiting to massage things.
At worse, you cancel the order before it hits production, in extreme cases of uh oh.

One more pain in the ass I don't need.
The only thing that murders me is windows. Ordering them early is a crap shoot as all of my projects are additions and often subject to substantial changes before the framing is complete. It's common to find mistakes of several inches in the plans, or discover major structural defects in the existing house that have to be addressed.

 

[Joe Fairplay]

One more pain in the ass I don't need.
The only thing that murders me is windows. Ordering them early is a crap shoot as all of my projects are additions and often subject to substantial changes before the framing is complete. It's common to find mistakes of several inches in the plans, or discover major structural defects in the existing house that have to be addressed.

Absolutely agree there.
Unless you are talking about a window or two in a rehab. At least there you have an RO to work from and can usually just adjust as you build to fit the standard off the rack stuff and avoid a lot of issues.
The old days of ordering off a spec sheet are gone, especially with higher end windows.
We send a spec sheet list to get a rough estimate of the costs and sizing during pre construction.
They send back a price and some suggestions on sizing that may not meet their standards or are incapable of constructing without huge over costs.
We frame it out using the outcome of those conversations.
Then the salesman shows up on site and we walk all the openings while marking anything that needs changes.
Then the order is made with expected delivery date used for scheduling to get the project from frame to window ready.
Too many times lately, we are drywalling without the windows installed. That's where the real uh oh's can happen.

 

[Pounder]

Absolutely agree there.
Unless you are talking about a window or two in a rehab. At least there you have an RO to work from and can usually just adjust as you build to fit the standard off the rack stuff and avoid a lot of issues.
The old days of ordering off a spec sheet are gone, especially with higher end windows.
We send a spec sheet list to get a rough estimate of the costs and sizing during pre construction.
They send back a price and some suggestions on sizing that may not meet their standards or are incapable of constructing without huge over costs.
We frame it out using the outcome of those conversations.
Then the salesman shows up on site and we walk all the openings while marking anything that needs changes.
Then the order is made with expected delivery date used for scheduling to get the project from frame to window ready.
Too many times lately, we are drywalling without the windows installed. That's where the real uh oh's can happen.

My drywall crew is working in a place right now that's missing 3 exterior doors. The place will be about finished inside before the doors show up. That stops my stucco, which stops the rails on a second floor deck, and stops the ground floor deck from being built. Of course the door company collected half their money 25 weeks back.

 

[Joe Fairplay]

My drywall crew is working in a place right now that's missing 3 exterior doors. The place will be about finished inside before the doors show up. That stops my stucco, which stops the rails on a second floor deck, and stops the ground floor deck from being built. Of course the door company collected half their money 25 weeks back.

LOL. I feel your pain.
Then the burning of favors or the extra scratch you got to throw at the services that have to make return trips to finish those areas around the house.
Nothing like showing up to that house that looks reasonably complete but needing a screw gun to remove the plywood covering where the door would be.
Fun times man, fun times.

 

[asevereid]

All of the op's issues seem so odd to me as I've not seen a truss without a raised heel in years.
But if I had to pick one option to go with, I'd say the 2x4 plate on top of the 2x6 plate would be the simplest option.

 

[JoeStanton]

Try and convince a judge that it is not. Clown.
No homeowner is going to notice a wall that is off 1/2" over 10'.
A variance of .05" per foot is nominal.
Most levels are not that accurate to begin with.
Sounds like you have never taken two levels and placed them together to set them both to the mean of the two.

Minimum required by code is double top.
Would not care if you had 10 as long as they are nailed properly at each layer.

You have levels that aren't accurate to .05 in a foot?

Double top plate is not required provided joists/rafters land on the studs.

 

[Platesurfer]

All of the op's issues seem so odd to me as I've not seen a truss without a raised heel in years.
But if I had to pick one option to go with, I'd say the 2x4 plate on top of the 2x6 plate would be the simplest option.

I agree. I'm having such a hard time understanding that this is even a problem.

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[Joe Fairplay]

Double top plate is not required provided joists/rafters land on the studs.

That is only 33% correct.
There are 2 other requirements you failed to mention if you want to use a single plate.