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no way! i actually like this guy and i've met his kids!truss it
it will take a considerable amount of time and effort to pack these out, I'd say most of the day to get all that geared up and prepped for framing. I think I'll still go that route regardless, seems like a much tighter product when all is said and done. :thumbsup:I've packed the web on dozens of steel I-beams. It's not that time consuming. I glue all the laminations, fill one side, trap them with pony clamps, drill through, pack the other side, drill back through and bolt with carriage bolts. 20' beam takes about an hour with 2 guys. I like the positive connection with facemounts. I also drop some glue in the hanger and run a Simpson screw up through the bottom diamond in the hangers. I got into the habit of leaving the joists about 1/8" short to minimize squeeks, although packing the webs and toe-nailing into the beam is another option. Flush steel beams are notorious for hanger squeeks, as well as nails in the decking where they don't belong.:furious: I always use wood X-bridging, even on I joists.
I've done the topmounts with a 2x6 bolted to the flange and thought it seemed a little hokey. Seemed to work out fine, just looked unfinished to me.it will take a considerable amount of time and effort to pack these out, I'd say most of the day to get all that geared up and prepped for framing. I think I'll still go that route regardless, seems like a much tighter product when all is said and done. :thumbsup:
i did a 6k foot house with the deck that hung off an 8" stem wall, with all kinds of parallams and other goodies going on. it does have a flaky feel to it.I've done the topmounts with a 2x6 bolted to the flange and thought it seemed a little hokey. Seemed to work out fine, just looked unfinished to me.
Holy shnikeys, 12x89? I'll send sasquatch and the missing link over to help.:laughing:i did a 6k foot house with the deck that hung off an 8" stem wall, with all kinds of parallams and other goodies going on. it does have a flaky feel to it.
i am just looking for an easy way out of spending a day in that hole working these beams. one of them is a w12x89 which has a 12 flange.
i could weld these hangers on but i hate the way weld fillet makes the plywood ride high over beams.
guess i'll just suck it up for a day and get it done the "right" way :thumbsup:
yea he upsized to eliminate most of his basement columns. he is a nice enough guys and i did about 8-9 second stories for him so far. this is his own house so I gave him a set price before he went loony toon.Holy shnikeys, 12x89? I'll send sasquatch and the missing link over to help.:laughing:
I had a builder who refused to backfill until he was ready for final grade, to eliminate a second trip by the ecavator.:furious: I did about five homes for him before I went back to building off of pilings. I found it easier to start 8' up than working around a moat.:shutup:yea he upsized to eliminate most of his basement columns. he is a nice enough guys and i did about 8-9 second stories for him so far. this is his own house so I gave him a set price before he went loony toon.
i did big beams like that, but always off a slab. he is afraid to backfill until I get the deck done so it's like a mexican standoff - I don't want to jump in the hole, he is paranoid about a landslide![]()
I've dome this several times before and they don't move believe it or not. we glue and bolt lvl's to the top of the I-beam and just use top-mount hangers and that's it. Have to pack out the I-joist at each side of the hanger when doing this.I've done the topmounts with a 2x6 bolted to the flange and thought it seemed a little hokey. Seemed to work out fine, just looked unfinished to me.
when i did developments, 9 out of 10 times the homes were not backfilled - but they were single span boxes with nothing going on in the basement. we'd get the deck done by 10 am and be in the clear. on these bigger homes it's a headache - especially due to lot constrictions, the moat is actually the rest of the property.I had a builder who refused to backfill until he was ready for final grade, to eliminate a second trip by the ecavator.:furious: I did about five homes for him before I went back to building off of pilings. I found it easier to start 8' up than working around a moat.:shutup:
Not if you use the I-beams from "Better Header" because they come packed out already.it will take a considerable amount of time and effort to pack these out, I'd say most of the day to get all that geared up and prepped for framing.:
Even if the hanger traps the top flange? I thought that was an exception.:blink:I've dome this several times before and they don't move believe it or not. we glue and bolt lvl's to the top of the I-beam and just use top-mount hangers and that's it. Have to pack out the I-joist at each side of the hanger when doing this.
That lot constraint is similar to Ocean City. 4-5' side setbacks and 15-20' front and back. Add a pile of lumber on one end or the other and it's game on.when i did developments, 9 out of 10 times the homes were not backfilled - but they were single span boxes with nothing going on in the basement. we'd get the deck done by 10 am and be in the clear. on these bigger homes it's a headache - especially due to lot constrictions, the moat is actually the rest of the property.
so we have. the hole. the moat. and the pile of dirt.
the pile of lumber is more often than not on top of the pile of dirt. a one day deck turns into a 3 day ordeal.
and on top of all that long island is hurricane zone now so we have to do hold-downs before we get out of the ground. major pain.
they look nice when they're finished though![]()
better header has been screwing up lately. plus it isn't really in the job to pay $300 a foot for a w12x89 packed out. i like what you're saying about the top-mounts. it's an easy way out for me.Not if you use the I-beams from "Better Header" because they come packed out already.
on new houses i try to get stuff boomed up that way i am not sifting through a huge pile. doesn't always work that way though.That lot constraint is similar to Ocean City. 4-5' side setbacks and 15-20' front and back. Add a pile of lumber on one end or the other and it's game on.
I'd be in line with that coarse of action too. That 12x89 is a lot of packing.on new houses i try to get stuff boomed up that way i am not sifting through a huge pile. doesn't always work that way though.
i think joe is going to talk me into hanging this kid's deckjump on that bandwagon it doesn't take long to convince me to take the easy way out
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If it's a poured bsmt. after 7 days you can backfill. If it's block, no way I'd backfill till the floors on.yea he upsized to eliminate most of his basement columns. he is a nice enough guys and i did about 8-9 second stories for him so far. this is his own house so I gave him a set price before he went loony toon.
i did big beams like that, but always off a slab. he is afraid to backfill until I get the deck done so it's like a mexican standoff - I don't want to jump in the hole, he is paranoid about a landslide![]()