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Holly F#%& Property mannager want's me to build about 50ft of wall in a mall. He has $77,000 worth of new glass doors and glazed glass. He has no clue if we should put 2x4, 2x6, wood, steel, or what kind of header we need above glass. He left it all up to me with a set of drawings that only half the needed measurement's and expects me to order all materials. He was wondering if we could just attatch the wall to the q decking in the roof. Should i take on the job and build it out of ? or just let him put screws threw the roof. :blink:
 

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Monster,

You should only do what you are comfortable doing as you will be responsible in the end, not the property manager.

Can you build into your price the cost of doing the research and getting it all figured out?

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where is "Thompson MB"

in the states, if it were to go into a mall, a commercial engineer will need to be involved to design the system in order to get the building permit. Are you getting a permt for the job?
 

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There are too much missing info to factor in to expect any real advice.

Sounds like a store front wall. That should be metal studding. FYI A "fire barrier" will terminate to the floor or roof to create higher rating. A "fire partition" can be framed with-in an occupancy to the underside of a dropped ceiling to designate areas. They have a weaker rating. What being stored can matter.

The type of material comes into play by construction "type" and "location on property".

In a nutshell If the plans are vague dont take it, no ones seems to know the requirements and these things are strictly enforced.
 

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This just happened this year at one of our local malls.

http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/new_haven_cty/news_wtnh_milford_post_mall_roof_collapse_200907131145

I wonder if they used the Shelton Town Inspector......lol

http://www.contractortalk.com/f11/building-official-pleads-guilty-70951/#post845732

I would have him redo the blueprint (if you like him) or Sign a contract and put in your contract - Build to code - all extra work and materials will be at cost +++ then bend him over and take him for a ride on the money express :laughing: (my ex boss pulled that all the time) If it has to be built, it should be done correctly!
Good luck
 

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Tell him you need an accurate set of plans in order to protect him and you. Use the services of a competent architect or engineer to do the structural elements. Even if this area of Canada has no permit requirements if someone gets hurt or if there are problems down the road someone will be paying for the mistakes made.
 

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Run, Monster, run.

In a commercial job, you need construction type, fire rating, header size, blah blah blah spelled out.

Even in Canada

The property manager is a wingnut
 

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I'd walk away unless he wants to pay for a real set of prints and bring and engineer in on the job... If he doesn't want to then RUN!
 

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if u have a vague set of drawings, make an RFI list based on them. SEnd it to architect listed on the drawings and follow up. They may contact engineer or not, depends on specs, you may not need one. take the right steps, Don't let it intimidate you, it's very simple stuff . There's a first time for everything. good luck !
 

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If he is asking you to execute the job, execute it, have it designed and build it. Give him a price that will allow you to build it the correct way, whatever it takes, Dont walk away. GMOD
 

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There are plenty of guys in jobs where they have no clue what they are doing...It you can get this done, and keep from letting your contact look like a dunce, you will have a friend for life.

If you can keep him looking good, he will call you for everything, as he will see you as a good resource. In my opinion, those are the best customers.
 

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Holly F#%& Property mannager want's me to build about 50ft of wall in a mall. He has $77,000 worth of new glass doors and glazed glass. He has no clue if we should put 2x4, 2x6, wood, steel, or what kind of header we need above glass. He left it all up to me with a set of drawings that only half the needed measurement's and expects me to order all materials. He was wondering if we could just attatch the wall to the q decking in the roof. Should i take on the job and build it out of ? or just let him put screws threw the roof. :blink:
What do the approved plans say?

It sounds like you are in over your head and a more competent contractor should do this job.
 

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What do the approved plans say?

It sounds like you are in over your head and a more competent contractor should do this job.
You are just plain rude. A guy rights in, complaining about a potential job, and all you can do is call him incompetent.

The fact is, he doesn't have a set of plans or specifications to go of. He isn't an engineer or architect.

Try not to be a jerk all the time
 

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You are just plain rude. A guy rights in, complaining about a potential job, and all you can do is call him incompetent.

The fact is, he doesn't have a set of plans or specifications to go of. He isn't an engineer or architect.

Try not to be a jerk all the time
This is not a do it yourself forum, he obviously doesn't know what he is doing if he doesn't know he needs a complete set of plans.

If you are given a job to bid without the required information, do you come on here asking what you should do or do you as a professional already know what you need to bid the job?

Any contractor should know you need a complete set of plans for this kind of job, it isn't up to the property manager to design the job.
 

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Peter Principle! But that's ok...now take this information...go to the manager and act like you knew it all along with out making him seem like a dumbass. Point out to hime that it's really just a matter of LIABILITY...ask him if he wants to shoulder that burden.
 
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