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Sounds pretty good for shingling simple starter homes. Nothing wrong with that, but it's hard to learn anything that way. You must do a couple a day, eh?

We shingle off our knees also, but I don't hold the shingles. WE have about 15 square on an 8/12 to do this morning before the sun gets warm. I'll see how we fair today for speed.
 

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Not too hard to hit high numbers when you have someone throwing them to you. You guys still crack me up with the racking and lines. hahahahaha
Anyways...........................

Certainteed recommends the racking method when using there "Super Shangle's"

But then again what do they know? LOL!!!

All I know is I'll keep roofing the way I know best.
 

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that means you would have to lay 1 bundle in 4minute, 1 shingle every 10 seconds consistantly. WoW! That would kill me if I had to hustle that hard for 2 hours. But I guess time is money
Just so you know...

We have to dry in, load, and shingle in one day. That is a two man crew(one on each side) new construction roof , one side 10 squares and the other split decks(one 7 squares and one 3). In the summer you should be done loading by 10 a.m. and done shingling by 12 noon. We dont have anyone feeding us. All shingles are loaded at the top of the roof ,upside down with the keyways up. Stacked flat. We shingle off our knees. Cut open the bundle flip it on your knee and start shingling. Loading this way allows the shingles that you start with to remain cool. I am 39 years old and up until I re-injured my arm last year I could still put a whipping on the younger guys.

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All I know is that if I could shingle 5 square an hour, it means I have been shingling waaaaaaay too much. :)
 

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Certainteed also recomends landmarks at a stairstep with a full shingle, then 33 1/8", 27 1/2", left over piece from 27 1/2", left over piece from 33 1/8", then start over with a full shingle. I have a paper cutter that is marked out for this pattern and cut all my racks before I ever get on the roof. But then again I can't shingle 5 sq. per hour.
 

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dooger, you can lay 28 bundles in 65 minutes??? even with a bundler that is amazing. if i could do that i wouldn't be shingling. i would be hitting the road challenging roofers to a contest and i would be walking away with more money than i could count. i don't roof fulltime anymore, but even on my best day my goal was to average 1 square off and 1 square on an hour. that meant roughly 7-8 a day.
 

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I could do a shingle every 10 seconds for an hour, but it would have to be an open roof with no cuts and have a break every hour. Nobody can shingle that consistantly.

We got our 15 square done before noon and that was including recieving the shingles. I was happy.
 

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I have a paper cutter that is marked out for this pattern and cut all my racks before I ever get on the roof.
That's what I got, - - well, it looks like a paper-cutter, - - actually, it's an old CVT cutter.

Handy as hell for pre-cutting. :thumbsup:
 

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That's what I got, - - well, it looks like a paper-cutter, - - actually, it's an old CVT cutter.

Handy as hell for pre-cutting. :thumbsup:
We have one also, called the shingle shear. Works really good in cold months and for 40 yrs. and up laminates.
 

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On the Landmark wrapper Certainteed calls for splitting the third or fourth shingle with a new full shingle. The seventh addition of Certainteeds Master Installer book calls for a stairstep all the way up or whatever is currently written on the package.

I only rack three or four tab shingles.

The Guiness Book of World Records claims the fastest roofer at 65sq's in an 8 hour period. A few years ago a roofer on another roofing forum said he was across the street working on a building when the record was broke in Chicago in the 80's. It was a large building low pitch nothing in the way, stapled with a bundler.

I pay good shingle tossers up to $20 an hour. When the shingles are tossed to you one by one you don't get wore down fingertips and you can stay on your knees laying shingles for hours on end.

A couple years ago I got to a 30sq 6/12 new roof at 8:30am. I loaded the roof and papered in the upper section and lower section by the time my one helper arived at 10:30am. By the time the sun was down the whole house was finished and the job was clean. My helper did not put on one shingle that day. Good money for one day paying only one worker but a lot less money than on tear offs.

I use jacks on three tabs and 16 penny nails for Landmarks. Some pieces of roof when there not hot I'll put nails all over the roof and come within a bundle of finishing without having to move the bundles again. This was when I worked for a few years alone every day, which doesn't happy anymore. The new construction was easy solo but tear offs were not fun! With just one helper I bet in 10 years I did close to 100 tear offs on top of 40-50 new roofs per year.

If any local guys want to visit a job let me know! Perhaps I'll plan to have the cute 19 yo college student work that day!!!
 

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doogger, how do you keep your bundlers? when i have tried them they quit going to shingling cause there is more money in laying them. i have tried a team approach where i have a shingler and a bundler and pay the pair the same, i figure the guy humping them works harder than the guy laying them, but the guy laying them has more skill so it all pans out. but this fails cause the shingler gets mad cause of the old school process of you get paid by the square and the bundler ain't "really working". most roofers i have come across that are top notch are in business for themselves, and the rest well are just at it long enough to get beer/drug money. then they come slinking back when they need more money. i have done the last 20 or so roofs solo. i am so glad that roofing is not my main fair. trim is finally coming back around, i am so happy. things go in spurts around here. i just finished trimming out a church sanctuary this week and i have two other houses to trim out. maybe, i won't have to roof much anymore.

you would think with a company name Finishing Touch Carpenty, people wouldn't think roofing. but it is word of mouth that is kept it alive. what a double edge sword word of mouth can be.
 

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I dont understand

I see you guys talking about cutting starter shingles. Why don't you just have starter shingles delivered with the regular shingles? Is it because there more expensive or you don't like them? Just curious.
 

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I see you guys talking about cutting starter shingles. Why don't you just have starter shingles delivered with the regular shingles? Is it because there more expensive or you don't like them? Just curious.
They are not talking about bottom row shingles. They are talking about different length shingles to run their step-offs up the roof.
 

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I go through a lot of bundlers. When I first started roofing at the tender age of 13 I bundled for my father who would get on 25 sq's a day minumal for days on end all summer long, most days were 10 hours. By the time I was 16 I laid my first shingle. He then ran 5 new construction crews so he stuck me with one if his crews. When I was 15 durring a Summer month we worked 20 days straight. My fathers longest run was 42 days straight on the roof.

The first year I bundled all Summer I was paid $5 an hour each year increeasing a dollar an hour before I finally started shingling. By the time I was 18 the hourly pay was up to $15 an hour. At 19 my father and I went into business together and at the age of 22 I went solo and have never looked back. Now at 27 wondering if I want to bust my butt on the roof everyday for the next 30 years. 7 years ago I got the chance to train my little brother how to shingle and 3 years later he went on his own and has done pretty well.

To think I used to get paid $5 an hour to work as hard as people I pay to do the same thing making up to $20 an hour! Unreal!!!

I learned the best way to keep bundlers and grunts around it to treat them well. Having a cooler full of water, ice and energy drinks helps along with free food helps them come back the next day. I'll spend hundreds of dollars a week on my guys between food and drink. To keep the cute 19 year old chick comming to work everyday I bought her a car unitl my wife found out!!! Now she only works a couple days a week but it's nice eye candy. She works circles around half the grunts on a daily basis.
 

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I go through a lot of bundlers. When I first started roofing at the tender age of 13 I bundled for my father who would get on 25 sq's a day minumal for days on end all summer long, most days were 10 hours. By the time I was 16 I laid my first shingle. He then ran 5 new construction crews so he stuck me with one if his crews. When I was 15 durring a Summer month we worked 20 days straight. My fathers longest run was 42 days straight on the roof.

The first year I bundled all Summer I was paid $5 an hour each year increeasing a dollar an hour before I finally started shingling. By the time I was 18 the hourly pay was up to $15 an hour. At 19 my father and I went into business together and at the age of 22 I went solo and have never looked back. Now at 27 wondering if I want to bust my butt on the roof everyday for the next 30 years. 7 years ago I got the chance to train my little brother how to shingle and 3 years later he went on his own and has done pretty well.

To think I used to get paid $5 an hour to work as hard as people I pay to do the same thing making up to $20 an hour! Unreal!!!

I learned the best way to keep bundlers and grunts around it to treat them well. Having a cooler full of water, ice and energy drinks helps along with free food helps them come back the next day. I'll spend hundreds of dollars a week on my guys between food and drink. To keep the cute 19 year old chick comming to work everyday I bought her a car unitl my wife found out!!! Now she only works a couple days a week but it's nice eye candy. She works circles around half the grunts on a daily basis.
Any pics?:clap:

I buy lunch every day for the guys. It ranges from from 200 to 350 a week, well worth it.
 

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I go through a lot of bundlers. When I first started roofing at the tender age of 13 I bundled for my father who would get on 25 sq's a day minumal for days on end all summer long, most days were 10 hours. By the time I was 16 I laid my first shingle. He then ran 5 new construction crews so he stuck me with one if his crews. When I was 15 durring a Summer month we worked 20 days straight. My fathers longest run was 42 days straight on the roof.

The first year I bundled all Summer I was paid $5 an hour each year increeasing a dollar an hour before I finally started shingling. By the time I was 18 the hourly pay was up to $15 an hour. At 19 my father and I went into business together and at the age of 22 I went solo and have never looked back. Now at 27 wondering if I want to bust my butt on the roof everyday for the next 30 years. 7 years ago I got the chance to train my little brother how to shingle and 3 years later he went on his own and has done pretty well.

To think I used to get paid $5 an hour to work as hard as people I pay to do the same thing making up to $20 an hour! Unreal!!!

I learned the best way to keep bundlers and grunts around it to treat them well. Having a cooler full of water, ice and energy drinks helps along with free food helps them come back the next day. I'll spend hundreds of dollars a week on my guys between food and drink. To keep the cute 19 year old chick comming to work everyday I bought her a car unitl my wife found out!!! Now she only works a couple days a week but it's nice eye candy. She works circles around half the grunts on a daily basis.

hmmmm, I thought you were a one man crew? Got any ins. on those people working FOR you? j/k
Think straight man, not just the dollars.

I work about 6 hours a day and do plenty well. There is no reason to kill yourself trying to make a buck.
 

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One man crew for about 5 years doing around 40-50 roofs a year with a few tear offs in there.

With all the referrals comming in I can no longer keep up by myself. Now all work is either run with the main crew or roofs are subbed out to my brother or brothers or they help me on the job. My father still works most weekends for me as well.

I've got quite a few pictures of my female worker but all are with a disposable cammera and the scanner broke. I've got some pictures of her laying the Winterguard, tearing off, papering, and shingling. Picture the look on the male homeowners faces when they come home to see a 120 lb 5ft 19 year old blonde girl working on the roof! She has no problem carying full bundles of shingles. She is one of the fastest learners yet. Her brother my best friend since elementery shcool is also a pretty smart guy and a fast learner.

With a 50% chance of rain tommorrow thinking a new roof then back to tearing off on Wednesday. The rest of the week looks crappy.

BTW, I'll post pics when I get them on my pc. She does look pretty damn fine though when she's not on the roof!!! Perhaps I'll get a picture of her next time we go out away from work.
 
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