[AdAz79]

I tried tiger claws yesterday holy what a pain in the . I watched the dvd 3 times cause I have never used them before, I did just like it showed (I was using tamko composite) got the first row on, screwed down, got the claws on, put the next board on, hit it in on the end, put the claw on the end to hold it and proceeded to hit the rest of the board, light or hard didn't matter it just bounced back out even with me standing on it if i hit really hard it bent the teeth straight up:furious: 20 some odd minutes on 1 board and had about 70 more to go:shutup: Finally I talked to the client who wanted them and he said he noticed my problem said he would be fine with screws which on this one you have to look for them to see them if they are done right, ended up looking quite nice in the end. What garbage and $500 I don't think so, ok had to do that, get it out thanks for letting me vent oh on the subject of venting fiber cement:furious:board HATE It!

 

[Tom Struble]

pre drill? i think tiger claw has a special tool for that now,im sure a deck guy here will be around any minute:thumbsup:

 

[loneframer]

I will never use Tiger Claw again. There are many different types of hidden fastener systems that are more user friendly. None of them are really efficient timewise, but are less agravating overall. I used Deckmaster on this project. PITA, but boards can be spaced infinitely, and a minimal number of face fasteners are required.

 

[loneframer]

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[SLSTech]

AdAz79 - I haven't used them & I am not sure if I would want to. GregDi did an article for JLC using a speciality nail gun on them as I recall & then the thread I remembered http://www.contractortalk.com/f50/framermans-deck-project-56986/index3/ start on post 46 for some tips

LF - as always nice work

 

[Clemens]

Well, Merry Christmas!!!
Looking at these clips you should know before hand it is junk.
I never liked any aftermarket clips, let along giving a warranty. If you a clipsystem that is engineered for that particular board you are okay.
(like CorrectDeck) otherwise I would stay away from it.
The only good clipsystem I have seen is Invisagrip. A german engineered stainless steel fastening system that comes with a hydraulic system to secure the boards.

 

[bbgcarpentry]

use the tiger claw clips with there special clip gun.

 

[AutumnWood Inc.]

The Tiger Claw TC-G clip is pretty easy to install once you get the hang of it and can be used for most grooved composite deck boards. I am not sure what Tiger Claw clip is compatiable with the Tamko deck board.

You should not of had that much trouble with the Tiger Claw TC-G clips.

The Tiger Claw clips that you have to pound the deck board into the clip is a no fun at all, I think that is what Lone framer was referring to. I believe they are called TC-2.

Personally I like the Fastenator by Correct Deck, but I think you can only use it with the Correct Deck. Lumber Lock has a similar clip that I have heard good things about.

 

[DeckMan77]

My first question is what type of Tiger Claw fasteners were you using? The TC-3 were designed specifically for composites (Of course Tamko composite decking is actually Evergrain, and the TC-3 is designed to work with the Evergrain decking). Secondly, to speed up the process the Tiger Claw Jaw tool helps with speed and reduces damage to the decking if your having problems.

It sure seems like a waste to throw away $500. Did you call the Tiger Claw guys for assistance with your problem (1-800-928-4437), they've helped me in the past when I first started using them almost 2 years ago?

 

[ghhartmann]

I tried tiger claws yesterday holy what a pain in the . I watched the dvd 3 times cause I have never used them before, I did just like it showed (I was using tamko composite) got the first row on, screwed down, got the claws on, put the next board on, hit it in on the end, put the claw on the end to hold it and proceeded to hit the rest of the board, light or hard didn't matter it just bounced back out even with me standing on it if i hit really hard it bent the teeth straight up:furious: 20 some odd minutes on 1 board and had about 70 more to go:shutup: Finally I talked to the client who wanted them and he said he noticed my problem said he would be fine with screws which on this one you have to look for them to see them if they are done right, ended up looking quite nice in the end. What garbage and $500 I don't think so, ok had to do that, get it out thanks for letting me vent oh on the subject of venting fiber cement:furious:board HATE It!

Hey AdAz79, They are not for everybody. Using the TC-3 on Evergrain is the most difficult installation you could come up with.

Tiger Claw is refunding the distributor and lumberyard that sold the fasteners to you.

I wish someone had suggested you call Tiger Claw. We would have tried to talk you out of that fastener/board combination. If you did call and you did not get the help you needed please let me know. I will work on the customer service guys.

The distributor did call us and tell us a builder was having difficulty. They did not tell us it was with Evergrain. We would have insisted they stop the project.

Other deck builders will agree with you that the TC-3 is a PITA. Others swear by it.
All the deck builders that have called us will tell you Tiger Claw helped them out when they called.
We were already discussing sending a rep to Texas as soon as we got the call from the distributor. Unfortunatly our closest rep to you is a thousand miles away. He would have been there as soon as we could have set up a meeting with you.

Here are 3 solutions for that combination that would have made your day a lot easier and you would have had a better finished product.
1) Use the Evergrain fastener. Evergrain has a hidden fastener made specifically for their board. It is called the EG 123. Very easy installation.
2) Use the TC-G with a Tiger Claw installation gun. Very easy installation.
3) Use the TC-3 fastener you attempted to use but get the Tiger Jaw to drive on the boards. Requires a little effort but is very fast.

I know it is hard to believe but Tiger Claw is not like a lot of companies just throwing stuff out on the market and hoping builders will buy it.

We know that you are the ones who drive our business. You keep us in business. If we don't make the builders job easier or your decks better you will not keep us in business.

Get your money back from your supplier and let me know what else we can do to help.

Greg
860 984-9033 cell
[email protected]


HAVE AN INCREDIBLE 2010!:clap:

 

[ghhartmann]

Well, Merry Christmas!!!
Looking at these clips you should know before hand it is junk.
I never liked any aftermarket clips, let along giving a warranty. If you a clipsystem that is engineered for that particular board you are okay.
(like CorrectDeck) otherwise I would stay away from it.
The only good clipsystem I have seen is Invisagrip. A german engineered stainless steel fastening system that comes with a hydraulic system to secure the boards.

Clemens you may be looking at something else. The Tiger Claw stainless fasteners do not look like junk. They are a high quality stainless steel fastener with a 25 year warranty. They come from the largest, most recognized, most innovative company in the industry.

You do have the right idea. Get a board/fastener system. TimberTech, Trex, and Evergrain all have great stainless fasteners designed for their boards.

There are also several deck manufactures like CorrectDeck, or Lattitudes with a plastic fastener solution.

Other boards like Gossen, Monarch, Fiberon, Portico are designed to be used with hidden fasteners.

Any of these boards are quick and easy when used with hidden fasteners.

Forget German Engineering. Try American Engineered! American made!
No special hydraulics required.


HAVE AN AWESOME 2010! :thumbup:

 

[WarnerConstInc.]

I really like the Tiger Claws.

 

[forsmant]

Tiger Claw works great when used with timber tech's grooved boards. We also have the specialty gun. I think the gun made installation at least 1.5 times faster.

 

[deckman22]

Hey AdAz79, They are not for everybody. Using the TC-3 on Evergrain is the most difficult installation you could come up with.

Tiger Claw is refunding the distributor and lumberyard that sold the fasteners to you.

I wish someone had suggested you call Tiger Claw. We would have tried to talk you out of that fastener/board combination. If you did call and you did not get the help you needed please let me know. I will work on the customer service guys.

The distributor did call us and tell us a builder was having difficulty. They did not tell us it was with Evergrain. We would have insisted they stop the project.

Other deck builders will agree with you that the TC-3 is a PITA. Others swear by it.
All the deck builders that have called us will tell you Tiger Claw helped them out when they called.
We were already discussing sending a rep to Texas as soon as we got the call from the distributor. Unfortunatly our closest rep to you is a thousand miles away. He would have been there as soon as we could have set up a meeting with you.

Here are 3 solutions for that combination that would have made your day a lot easier and you would have had a better finished product.
1) Use the Evergrain fastener. Evergrain has a hidden fastener made specifically for their board. It is called the EG 123. Very easy installation.
2) Use the TC-G with a Tiger Claw installation gun. Very easy installation.
3) Use the TC-3 fastener you attempted to use but get the Tiger Jaw to drive on the boards. Requires a little effort but is very fast.

I know it is hard to believe but Tiger Claw is not like a lot of companies just throwing stuff out on the market and hoping builders will buy it.

We know that you are the ones who drive our business. You keep us in business. If we don't make the builders job easier or your decks better you will not keep us in business.

Get your money back from your supplier and let me know what else we can do to help.

Greg
860 984-9033 cell
[email protected]


HAVE AN INCREDIBLE 2010!:clap:

Now that's a stand up company & rep right there, going to refund your money & you didn't even have to ask.

You're all right Greg, I don't care what JonMon & the others around here say about you...........................J/K

 

[BreyerConstruct]

Hey AdAz79, They are not for everybody. Using the TC-3 on Evergrain is the most difficult installation you could come up with.

Tiger Claw is refunding the distributor and lumberyard that sold the fasteners to you.

I wish someone had suggested you call Tiger Claw. We would have tried to talk you out of that fastener/board combination. If you did call and you did not get the help you needed please let me know. I will work on the customer service guys.

The distributor did call us and tell us a builder was having difficulty. They did not tell us it was with Evergrain. We would have insisted they stop the project.

Other deck builders will agree with you that the TC-3 is a PITA. Others swear by it.
All the deck builders that have called us will tell you Tiger Claw helped them out when they called.
We were already discussing sending a rep to Texas as soon as we got the call from the distributor. Unfortunatly our closest rep to you is a thousand miles away. He would have been there as soon as we could have set up a meeting with you.

Here are 3 solutions for that combination that would have made your day a lot easier and you would have had a better finished product.
1) Use the Evergrain fastener. Evergrain has a hidden fastener made specifically for their board. It is called the EG 123. Very easy installation.
2) Use the TC-G with a Tiger Claw installation gun. Very easy installation.
3) Use the TC-3 fastener you attempted to use but get the Tiger Jaw to drive on the boards. Requires a little effort but is very fast.

I know it is hard to believe but Tiger Claw is not like a lot of companies just throwing stuff out on the market and hoping builders will buy it.

We know that you are the ones who drive our business. You keep us in business. If we don't make the builders job easier or your decks better you will not keep us in business.

Get your money back from your supplier and let me know what else we can do to help.

Greg
860 984-9033 cell
[email protected]


HAVE AN INCREDIBLE 2010!:clap:

FWIW, I can vouch for Greg's over-the-top level of support. If we could get the decking manufactures to do the same, we'd have an easier job... and more deck builders out there!


~Matt

 

[Tom Struble]

wow what a difference compared to that wine chiller company

awesome job Mr.Tiger Claw:thumbup:

 

[Clemens]

Greg,
Thanks for your input and I value your input standing behind a product you believe in. Like a lot of us we got hurt many times with products on the market that didn't do what they promised. Pretty much started in the early nineties when Trex came out with their first composite. We have seen many products come and go over the years. I start over two weeks with the replacement of a Geo deck that is so bad I can't walk on. Homeowner has to spend another 20K because the company is not paying for it, not to mention that they couldn't sell the house or use the deck for the last two years. We get bombarded constantly with new decking and railing products not to mentioned all other related deck products like fasteners, deck lights etc. and I understand some of us don't want to hear some brandnames despite they might come out with new and better products.
All new decks look good. I worry more how the deck will perform in the next 5 to 10 years.
Watching these video clips how fast you can slam these boards in is to me ridiculous. Composite decking is a pretty big investment for most home owners and how they are secured is just as important.
Have seen my share of Ipe and composite decks that "fail" because the wrong fasteners are being used /improper spacing / or just bad or cheap fasteners. Not to mentioned the contractor didn't installed it correctly.
This year I have seen fence contractors, landscapers, masons, homebuilders and yes even painters doing decks. Just to get a job (can't blame them) and we have already calls from homeowners trying to fix their problems.
Tiger Claw is maybe a good product but I have to do a "wait and see" approach before I know it has been proven to be a solid performer.
Clemens

 

[ghhartmann]

Tiger Claw is maybe a good product but I have to do a "wait and see" approach before I know it has been proven to be a solid performer.
Clemens

Clemens,
That is as it should be. You are the one laying it on the line. You are the target for the homeowner when something goes wrong. The risk is too great to try something that is not proven.


TC may be a new name in some markets. If you ever want to try it out let me know. I have a rep in your area that will be glad to work with you on a project and bring you the fasteners and tools.
I don't expect you to use any product till you have confidence. I am here to help build confidence. Let me know when you want to try it.

HAPPY NEW YEAR! :clap:arty::drink:

 

[ronniearnello]

Love The Jaw!

Hey AdAz79, I felt the same way as you when I tried TC-3 with Trex, Evergrain must have really sucked. I swore constantly while tring the sledgehammer method as the instructions say. Then I bought a Tiger Jaw tool, WOW,:clap: it is well worth the $150 I paid for it. I'm on the 7th deck using it and besides getting scratched up from being thrown in my toolbox, I think it should last for years. It allows me to do a install in 1/4 the time. I bought a second one for my other crew so we wouldn't have to keep swapping it betwwen jobs. I would recommend it even for one deck, for the time and aggrivation saved alone not to mention the quality results it attains. -RonA :thumbsup:

 

[XanadooLTD]

Mac did an artcile on here. He tried out the gun and gave his feedback on this forum. I think that you need to use the gun with the claws.