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Since mentioned below I've been checking out Joomla and Wordpress to try and figure these things out.

I checked with a local website co. and they use a CMS called CK Editor. Does anybody here use this program? Are there any limitations compared to Joomla or Wordpress?
 

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Go for the simplest one that will serve your needs. The more complicated it is the more expensive it will be to maintain and setup.

For a typical landscaping company I think Wordpress is probably the simplest.
 

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I disagree with JV.

The best by far is whatever one takes care of your needs the most efficiently and effectively.

Wordpress is great for blogs and simple sites, where Joomla has more plugins and flexibility. Magento is best for ECommerce, and ExpressionEngine is hands down for serious designers and programmers, or people with a little more coin. Don't forget phpbb for forums!

First, define your customer and who the site is going to be for. What market do you want to reach with this?

Then define exactly what your site needs to do (generate leads, provide info, communicate with visitors, start a community, whatever)

Then decide what functionality it needs (blog, ecommerce, multiple users, password protected areas, crazy widgets, whatever)

Then how much your going to be updating it (or if you're going to have someone else do it for you)

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decide which platform to use.

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There is no one size fits all in any aspect of business. Your goals, strategies, and needs are going to be different than everyone else's. Don't just use something because it's easy. Think through your situation, outline your strategy, and then you know you'll have the right platform for you.
 

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J. Sullivan has really good insight on cms, thanks.

I've been using Jommla for about 6 years now and I really love it. I've heard quite a few really good things about Word Press as well. I've heard repeatedly that WP is easier to learn, but I didn't think that Joomla was that hard either. Joomla has the best support base and the greatest number of extensions to help you with anything that you want your website to do whether it is: forums, online community (myspace, facebook etc.) ecommerce, newsletters (one of my favorite extensions for huge 2000+ email mailings!!!), blogs, search engine optimization and numerous others. I would recommend to try them both out by setting up sub domains for each one and see which one you like using more.

Good luck!
 

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I totally agree with J. Sullivan and Denver painting about Joomla and Wordpress! My website is on Joomla and I absolutely love it, and my blog is currently on Wordpress. But for a mainwebsite, I would choose Joomla over any other platform hands down. You do get the best of the best with Joomla.
 

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I totally agree with J. Sullivan and Denver painting about Joomla and Wordpress! My website is on Joomla and I absolutely love it, and my blog is currently on Wordpress. But for a mainwebsite, I would choose Joomla over any other platform hands down. You do get the best of the best with Joomla.
For most contractors I don't know what advantage Joomla has over Wordpress.

Joomla also takes more resources to run (slower), is more complicated (more expensive to setup and fix) and has a more complex user interface (harder to learn).

And I hear that Google really likes Wordpress (maybe it thinks it is a blog) and indexes them well.

So I wonder what special feature Joomla provides over Wordpress.
 

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I'm thinking we have not explored all the themes and plugins available for wordpress. If wordpress has a shortfall it is in ecommerce sites. Other than that wordpress is a much better cms platform...especially for the novice web designers. In a day or two I'll post some videos on how to use wordpress.

Always good to see differences of opinions though...keeps the mid active.

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@ Karrunt

I'm not pitching the advantages of one CMS over the other. They all have somewhere that they excel, and they all have shortcomings. Saying one CMS is the perfect fit for everyone is like me recommending my back specialist for your bloody nose. There is no blanket system that is ideal for everyone. You CANNOT recommend a solution until you know what someone's ailment (or goals) are.

"Diffurnt strokes fer diffurnt folks"

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Wordpress


Pros

Hands down the best blogging solution around

Super sexy designs for little cash outlay

Incredibly easy to use and maintain

Pretty killer at keeping away SPAM out of the box and good SEO

Free

Cons

Sucks for static content

Doesn't handle large sites well

Almost no flexibility once design is implemented

Fewer amount of of plugins, little room to scale



Joomla

Pros


The most flexible easy to use open source system around - It can be almost whatever you need it to be

Powerful and amazingly broad amount of plugins and extensions

Almost perfectly handling of multiple users

As big a site as you can build, managing it with Joomla is a breeze

SEO loves it

Free

Cons

Not as easy to learn, kinda a wonky naming system

Doesn't handle blogging that well

Sometimes too flexible, with too many options

Sometimes killer plugins are commercial

Not as attractive templates out of the box


Drupal

Pros

The most flexible not easy to use open source system around - It can definitely be whatever you want it to be

Powerful, powerful, powerful

Handles multi users like a dream

Free

Cons

If you're not a programmer, you're going to hate it. Easily the most difficult system to use (just reread that, sounds funny haha)

Such a ***** to work with

Real PITA

It's not very easy to use at all, and most of the time it's real ugly, ya follow?


ExpressionEngine

Pros

Super slick, best of the best for a paid option

Almost always hand coded design, so you know it's unique

Crazy fast, excellent backed, not to heavy on resources (Sounds like the ideal date for Friday night eah?)

Cons

Not free. And definitely not cheap.

Almost no free or cheaply available templates, you have to have someone design and code you one.

If you're not a web fella or lady, you will not enjoy using this. If you are however, it's like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, it's just comfortable.


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Remember, they don't have to be mutually exclusive. Let's say you need a crazy flexible site, you foresee needing to add a lot of content, and you want to add a project management system later on, but a killer blog is really really important to you.

Answer: Build the static site in Joomla, have the blog in Wordpress running on a subdomain (this whole CMS conversation brought the geek speak out on me) and make the designs match. Then link to each other in the navigation.

Va Va Voom! You've got the best of both worlds, and your visitor has no idea they've jumped from CMS to CMS.

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Before you pick your CMS, define what you want from your site. It's goals, it's strategy, it's functionality, how many pages, all that jazz. Then pick your tool.

Don't just jump on a CMS because somebody thinks it's easier to use.
 

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I checked with a local website co. and they use a CMS called CK Editor. Does anybody here use this program? Are there any limitations compared to Joomla or Wordpress?
In answer to your question, FCK Editor is a very widely used open source HTML editor. It falls short of a CMS though as FCK will only grant you access to edit page content. You won't have total site control like what you would have with Wordpress or Joomla.

I use FCK editor in my lead capture software that I use for my sale clients. They have simple one page websites and FCK editor makes it easy for them to make the required changes.

Stick with Wordpress or Joomla. I personally like wordpress.

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That was one of my main questions about control of the site. Seems if the co. that makes my site disappears I'd have no way to change or update my site without them.




Why does Wordpress suck as a static site?
 

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Why does Wordpress suck as a static site?
It doesn't... It just wasn't originally designed with a CMS in mind. Still a very, very capable platform, and good for any contractor.

Where it lacks a little luster is with eCommerce as already mentioned... But most of you aren't setting up shopping carts etc...

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at the risk of starting an argument I'm going to have to disagree with a few of the things J. Sullivan states about wordpress...we use it almost exclusively for a number of reasons. Concerning the issues of static pages...there are plugins to handle that. There a many very flexible themes you can be purchased cheap and are easily modifiable and scalable.

Plus there are many uses that I'm not going to go into here because these are not uses that members of this forum need to use.

Hope everyone has a good weekend.

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Hi There

I have not searched for a construction wordpress site but here is one of the themes we use.

Word Press Theme


The company that sells is called ithemes...if you do a google search on them you can see the different ones they offer.

The themes are fully customizable (may take you a bit of playing around with them)

Here is another that I was told by a friend of mine that is very good though I have not used it yet

Word Press Theme

Hope these give you some ideas

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carolinahandyma -

Examples of WP and Joomla sites:


my site - http://www.coolflatroof.com is based on WordPress with a custom theme I created to look the same as my original, hand-coded PHP site. I used online theme generator to create the skeleton for the theme and then heavily modified it. You do not need this - I did, cuz I wanted the maintain original look under WP platform.

PS... I had may challenges when mofing from static PHP site to WP - mainly I had to preserve same file names under WP, and by default it does not support .PHP extensions for page names so I had to find a plug-in (HTML on pages I believe) and modify it.

I also had to have about 40 static pages in WP, and at first it really took me a while to understand how static paging in WP works - by default it is a BLOG...

Anyway... it worked out great :)

Mike's site - http://www.mbmcarpentry.com - now runs joomla... ask him other questions since I don't know and do not want to know joomla (at least now :laughing:) ... but if you read mike's post above - he love it...
 

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I would use wordpress it has everything a contractor needs. Joomla would be ok if you wanted to run a very complex site like an online media site or directory.
It is really over kill for a simple site, its difficult to use, more expensive to customize and harder for amateurs to update.

Wordpress has great seo and plenty of killer plugins that are mostly all free. I cannot think of one that you would need that costs anything.

There is no need to run your site on joomla, its just going to be a headache stick with wordpress
 
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