I have never seen a closer installed on the bottom....

any particular reason?

 

The newer foot-activated ones are.

 

At least I don't have to drive too far :laughing:

Bent up some metal with the trusty trim a brake II, added drip cap and sub sill nosing and shes's ready to go.

 

Must be a east coast thing.

Never seen one out here.

 

I've installed several of the Larson storm doors this year that have closures top and bottom.Did one last week with full glass that had 2 and you barely had room for the bottom one..Some are a real pain to adjust and very heavy for a storm door.

 

IIRC one of these jobs took me several hours, for a variety of unforeseeable reasons.

 

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Good job Seal. Looks and sounds like like typical HO. Those are always fun especially the neighbor deal. Somebody on here the other day said they charged 2 hundred for one. I was charging that back in early 90s. I've got to get that to spool out horses, saw, snips drill etc. alone. But I guess we have to take the good with the bad. Been trying to make myself beleive that 40 some odd years now.

 

I don't think I have ever had a storm door install go smoothly. They've all had closers both top and bottom.

You could just throw them in like Lowes installations, I've completely redone a few of theirs.

 

Same here. There is always some sort of complication with them. One thing is for certain, you'll never see one on my house.

 

Nice job! Free-hand brickmold trim-formed wrapping. I hate when guys don't know what they're doing and box bend brickmolding while either leave it hollow, or packing it out which messes up the expanders sweep contact to the threshold.

I hate PVC skinned heavy ass storm doors too. Way too heavy over time and they all sag. I prefer a single heavy-duty closer to dual closers and typically mount (top or bottom) according to the homeowner's request based upon their age and situation.

I just removed a storm door that was installed on the house that I grew up in that had the z-bar blind caulked and it was a mess to get that thing off. I've gotten so spoiled with ProVia's units being pre-hung and pre-drilled for the handleset that I hate installing units off the shelf.

Not related to this post, but Fox out of IL I think makes a very heavy duty aluminum storm door with welded corners that are shadow grooved that some national supply houses have access to. I've only every installed one of them. I really liked it design wise. The options and handlesets were limited and dated though.

 

Nice one, SS. I'm with you on storm door disgust.

Screen doors made sense back when we didn't live in hermetically sealed boxes. Storm doors only make sense as a pathetic patch for poor quality entryways and/or design.

 

I love opening the house up from April to October. Couldn't do it with out my storm door.

 

I prefer a double closer. These things are quirky enough. Its nice to have that extra pull. I always extend the holding mechanism about 3/8" out before I set my location to make sure I get that pull.

They all suck. its a 3 hour thing. Should be half that. I must admit the last couple of Provia I put in were quality doors, not sure about the price.

 

ProVia pricing is brutal. I've always considered storm door only projects as legwork for adding future referrals.

Some of the worst hack work I see is the Home Depot and Lowes mull post pack out work on newer production home entry doors and sidelites in which the builder didn't have the mull posts prepped with extenders.

 

Man you needed more tools out on this job :laughing:
Some times the quickie jobs can kick you in the butt :sad:
Love the door closer low like that really helps when moving cr%p in the house

 

Kicked me in the butt it did It rained yesterday so today I ran over and installed it.

Get there and set up and winds are blowing 30/40 mph chit flying everywhere and I got ten bags of hardware and screws I'm trying to sort out

I don't always follow directions, but with storm doors I do...Step by step I perform the goof proof instructions using all their silly jigs, spacers and templates.

Things go well for a while until I realized they didn't pack a drip cap with the door, shorted me several screws and supplied a handle with a nice scratch in plain view. I call Andersen bitching and moaning so they're shipping me out replacement parts UPS.

Needless to say I asked for it on this job and it didn't disappoint. For now I installed the old drip cap ( which really doesn't fit) so I could finish up the latch side Z and move on with the install.

This door (Emco 400) is reversible in terms of handing...you gotta drill the locksets using 3/4" and 1/2" holes which is always fun, drill all the hinge Z and just about every other screw they want you to put in.

Look griz, no closer top or bottom...they spec'd this one just below the knee.

Finished up the day patching up a curb and misc. caulking...

Three B's is the theme for today...broke, bothered and beat

Didn't I say I hate storm doors :laughing:

 

I love how the winds die down just when your packing up and leaving thank you very much...

It don't look to bad for $229.00 I suppose. That lever at the top, lowers the glass pretty easily and engages a roll screen for when you want some ventilation. Not a bad Idea till you poke a hole in the screen I wonder

Anyway, let me get this curb patched up so i can get the heck outta here...Happy Easter everyone!

 

It don't look to bad for $229.00 I suppose. That lever at the top, lowers the glass pretty easily and engages a roll screen for when you want some ventilation. Not a bad Idea till you poke a hole in the screen I wonder

Installed one of these for my neighbor a few years ago.
She asks a couple months later if a spring/chain be added so the wind won't slam it against the porch railing. Sure, say I.

I send the guy working with me that day over to spend the 5 minutes it will take to install it while I load the truck for the day. No problem.

A few days later, she calls and tells me when she pulled the screen down, it ripped in a few places.

Yup...the screws from the spring/chain kit.

Replacement kit for this was $36.00

Lesson learned.

 

Personally. I like storm doors.
They serve a purpose, to keep weather off your door.
I do nothing but door work. A house that never had a storm door will have rotten jambs where they meet the sill unless it is on a porch.

The doors with storm doors will rarely have the rotten jambs.

 

A house that never had a storm door will have rotten jambs where they meet the sill unless it is on a porch.

That's partially my point. A main entry door with no protection is poor design, even discounting rotten jambs. That also means that you fumble for your keys while standing in the rain or snow, and when you finally get it open, some of that weather gets inside (which a storm door won't prevent anyway).