What is the ESR# for that and did you get a permit?


Andy.

What is holding that deck up? (forgive me if this is a stupid question)

It's got two 4x8 beams running into the floor at both sides they cantilever out about 30 inches on each side.

ArtisanRemod said:

What is holding that deck up? (forgive me if this is a stupid question)

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This deck was built with the home I just rebuilt it the same way it was. This whole neighborhood has these decks.

Here's the install instructions for those posts. I'm trying to find the ESR Andy. It's in one of the Trex reports I think it's in the ADA report.


http://www.trexpartners.com/media/4260/trex_railing_post_mount_deck_surface_installation.pdf

If those things pass the "Six Cocktail Rule", I'll be testing them on my own deck real soon.

Looks nice.....and easy.

They are very strong.

I have no doubt about your "Six Cocktail Rule" But then again I don't know what that is. By all means please splain. :laughing:

BlueRidgeGreen said:

If those things pass the "Six Cocktail Rule", I'll be testing them on my own deck real soon. Looks nice.....and easy.

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I'm going to guess that if they can hold you up after six cocktails they are strong enough?

You know how people get.

We figure every railing has to be at least strong enough for some drunk, uncoordinated moron to hang off of or fall into after 6 Long Islands.......even if he weighs 350.

I personally haven't seen those days in a couple decades. Falling and such.

They just look pretty stout and I have a deck I'm designing for myself where they would be perfect. Clean look and they seem like an easy install to boot.

Been wanting to ask you. How do you find that the white composite decks hold up in terms of color and relative stain resistance?

Californiadecks said:

I'm going to guess that if they can hold you up after six cocktails they are strong enough?

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To be honest with you BlueRidge, I've never installed a white composite. Most white decking is a PVC. However, I hear they are very blinding, especially when your near lot of glass. There are a lot of good light colored cap stocks out there these days to choose from. My opinion is to stay somewhere in between dark and light. Because if it's too dark it will get scorching hot. That may not be a concern in other parts of the country but here in S. Cal it can get up to 107 degrees.

BlueRidgeGreen said:

You know how people get. We figure every railing has to be at least strong enough for some drunk, uncoordinated moron to hang off of or fall into after 6 Long Islands.......even if he weighs 350. I personally haven't seen those days in a couple decades. Falling and such. They just look pretty stout and I have a deck I'm designing for myself where they would be perfect. Clean look and they seem like an easy install to boot. Been wanting to ask you. How do you find that the white composite decks hold up in terms of color and relative stain resistance?

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What is the name of the series for this post mpount?

Transcends?

Or another?

I think ESR 1190 covers this one but not sure.

Andy

Why doesn't Trex keep up on the ESR reports I wonder?

1190 expired last year.

Some AHJs will still accept but some will not.

The only report I can find for Azek is a CCRR report, Costa Mesa does not want to accept that but San Clemente did.

Andy.

Actually I think you are right it is in 1190. It's on the same brochure page as the ADA railing. It's a great post.

ScipioAfricanus said:

What is the name of the series for this post mpount? Transcends? Or another? I think ESR 1190 covers this one but not sure. Andy

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I have no idea. I have brought this up at the guru meetings with them. They act like their concerned, but then nothing gets fixed. We shouldn't have problems with the Mission Viejo job will we, since we're getting engineering?

By the way I'm meeting the HO in the morning to sign and I should be ready for you by Monday or Tuesday.

ScipioAfricanus said:

Why doesn't Trex keep up on the ESR reports I wonder? 1190 expired last year. Some AHJs will still accept but some will not. The only report I can find for Azek is a CCRR report, Costa Mesa does not want to accept that but San Clemente did. Andy.

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Well I think we could get the engineer to sign off on the ESR report because it is out of date but we may not have to.

I will talk to MV BD before hand.

By the way the flame spread on the Trex is under 200 making it class "C" fire rated which I think would be fine for the High fire hazard area it might or might not be in.

Andy.

According to the Orange County Fire Authority they said we fall under the exemption of R327 of the CRC. Therefore we have no special building restrictions. But if we do, Trex has a proper rating. After that fire that wiped out 600 manufactured homes, I submitted to get all of them replaced with Trex and it was approved by the the state Building officials. It will ignite but it puts itself out.

ScipioAfricanus said:

Well I think we could get the engineer to sign off on the ESR report because it is out of date but we may not have to. I will talk to MV BD before hand. By the way the flame spread on the Trex is under 200 making it class "C" fire rated which I think would be fine for the High fire hazard area it might or might not be in. Andy.

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I hadn't really even considered the heat and light effect.

I was thinking all about aesthetics. Those considerations makes a lot of sense, even in VA. SouthEast corner to boot.
After looking at even that small deck, the decking color seems not to matter so much as the railing and skirts.

Maybe a Stonewall Grey.

Thanks.

Californiadecks said:

To be honest with you BlueRidge, I've never installed a white composite. Most white decking is a PVC. However, I hear they are very blinding, especially when your near lot of glass. There are a lot of good light colored cap stocks out there these days to choose from. My opinion is to stay somewhere in between dark and light. Because if it's too dark it will get scorching hot. That may not be a concern in other parts of the country but here in S. Cal it can get up to 107 degrees.

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Well I signed a new contract this morning and my HO met me at a Starbucks in this

He said if I like his Rolls Royce I'm really going to like his Lamborghini.

Californiadecks said:

I have no idea. I have brought this up at the guru meetings with them. They act like their concerned, but then nothing gets fixed. We shouldn't have problems with the Mission Viejo job will we, since we're getting engineering? By the way I'm meeting the HO in the morning to sign and I should be ready for you by Monday or Tuesday.

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Don't they know we atleast double the price if they meet us in any car worth over 200k.

One of my teachers in college told us a story about meeting a guy in c.t. at his house who flew in on a $10,000,000 helicopter. He said that he was charging 30 a man hour back then and they guy asked him what he charged he said 120 a man hour. Got the job and everything

Californiadecks said:

Well I signed a new contract this morning and my HO met me at a Starbucks in this

He said if I like his Rolls Royce I'm really going to like his Lamborghini.

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