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Santa visited my shop today

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He came by and promised to come back with his big sled real soon and drop of this.

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We love this machine. All our banding has been getting done on a Brandt. Thats all they make is banders and that says something to me. It has all the right stuff, in a nutshell.

We don't mess with 3 mill tape.

The local rep is a Stiles distributor, yes Stiles

I am more jazzed about this than I was for the cnc.:thumbsup:
Really? That should wear off in a few weeks :laughing:

A few tips for your new baby (ignore the ones you already know)

Dust extraction is more critical on edgebanders than any other machine I have used. PVC trimmings get everywhere and can mess with your set-ups. Try to have your operator blow out under the hood before,during and after use.

You machine will use insert tooling for the profile motors and make sure it is changed as soon as it starts to fade. Dull tooling will kill the motors quite quickly. Rebuilds are $600-1500 depending on where you get them.

Glue pot rebuilds are also big $$ so don't let it get too full of burnt glue. I would recommend changing the glue about once every few months depending on usage. You can do this by putting a clean piece of wood into the gluepot (3/4 x2 x12) when it is hot and you are done using it. (try to keep it at least half full before you do this)Allow the glue to cool.The next time you use it let the glue pot heater warm up enough to pull the stick out. It will come out like a big nasty glue popsicle. Refill and go.

Glue pots should also be boiled out with peanut oil every so often to give them a really good cleaning. The reason being is that a dirty gluepot puts a lot of stress on the the heating element and can cause premature failure.

There are many types of glue pellets out there but I would recommend a German brand named Jowat. Think of it as Festool glue for edgebanders.

I can't really tell from the pic but it looks like your machine will have a bottom drive track with idler wheels on top.Make sure you take the idler wheels off and lubricate them every so often. I have seen them dry out and lock up which will jam the work piece and cause all of your track pads on the drive track to be scalped off. Huge PITA

I have quite a few more tips for you but I feel like I am rambling. Just let me know if you have any ???
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One more thing Gus, and this is a big one. Buy your high temperature grease from Stiles. They will totally bend you over on the price but there is a reason, nothing else works.

I think I last paid about $80.00 for a cartidge of it but believe me it is a small price to pay versus a locked up glue pot repair. I believe it is made by Homag.

If you cheap out and buy the Hi-temp at the local auto parts store you will be sorry. The Homag edgebander tech from Germany will be laughing all the way to the bank. His name is Hans, tell him I said hi......seriously
Thanks for all your tips, Bergy:thumbsup:
You ever work with a bander before?:laughing:

My partner ,Wayne, will be the bander boy. Not that I don't want to know all there is to know about it, I will immerse myself into it like all the tools and equipment. But we feel a bander should only be a one man woman and he has 20 years with them. I have none.

the reason i am more pumped for this than the cnc is that it was and is me that make that machine go. At the time I was switching over to Cabinet vision and taking on the machine all at one time. I needed to make it happen and the pressure I put on myself was pretty intense. I loved what the machine could do but getting there was not all of that easy for me. You could say the stress of the moment sucked some of the fun out of it.

This machine is just a candy bar for me. Wayne will do a great job with it and I'll go along for the ride. I like going for joy rides.:clap:

I love that you know so much and I'll use you when something comes up. I like the grease and glue tips. Thanks for all of it.:thumbsup:
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Happy to help Gus,I wish I was getting a new toy for Christmas. I asked for a new iron like Leo's but money is kind of tight around here, I'll just have to keep using my wife's curling iron until next year :santa:
I think that is a big mistake Gus. You should have two guys learn the ins and outs of the machine. If per chance Wayne isn't around or for some reason disses you off you might be stuck. Always think of the future and the many roads it can offer. Nothing is set in stone.
I think that is a big mistake Gus. You should have two guys learn the ins and outs of the machine. If per chance Wayne isn't around or for some reason disses you off you might be stuck. Always think of the future and the many roads it can offer. Nothing is set in stone.
I get what you are saying Leo.

That is not going to happen though. I'll learn all I need to know about this machine, you can count on that.

Wayne can,deserves and wants the lead on it. He is perfectly put together for it. By far the most meticulous guy I have ever worked with. I love him for it, he drives me crazy sometimes, but I'm thrilled to have him and excited that he gets to be in the lead on this machine.

The cnc coming in the shop was stressful for me. Yeah I was excited but overwhelmed with the new software program and all the in's and out's of the machine itself. I was more or less alone with that. Never worked with a cnc before, heck didn't even know what one was several years prior. Then put that kinda cash down and everyone looking at me to make it work. Not all fun and games.

I put an awful lot of pressure on myself normally. I really turned up the heat to come through for that.

This purchase is really pleasurable, thats about all I'm saying.
You'd love me to Gus. I am just as meticulous and a pain in the a$$ too. But I get it done, and I get it done the right way whether you want it done that way or not.

When I was working for others I was always the guy who took care of the machines. I never asked for the position, they could just tell by my work and demeanor that I was suited for the task.

I wonder if Wayne and I would get along. I bet he has some great stories to tell about you Gus. :whistling
Hey Gus, did you get tired of paying Alice and Hazel to do your ironing?
You'd love me to Gus. I am just as meticulous and a pain in the a$$ too. But I get it done, and I get it done the right way whether you want it done that way or not.

When I was working for others I was always the guy who took care of the machines. I never asked for the position, they could just tell by my work and demeanor that I was suited for the task.

I wonder if Wayne and I would get along. I bet he has some great stories to tell about you Gus. :whistling
I'm sure he would have a few things to say about me. Not as many as my other wife but plenty just the same.

I love Wayne like a brother. Thank god I found him, or he found me, which ever.

The guy is 100% Swiss. Mom and dad straight from the old country. He would build one hell of a watch. I love him for it and it drives me nuts sometimes. But I never have to worry about quality. How big of a gift is that?

Would you and him get along? Don't know. You both drive me nuts sometimes so you have something in common.:laughing:
I am impressed that you can take on such a financial responsibility with this bad financial times and all. It must be a sing of your good business practices.

I my self can't even afford a used busted slider but I am glad to see good sings of a recovering economy. Lets all drink to that :drink: .

Anyhow, how much is one of those with all the bells an whistles going for nowadays?
I am impressed that you can take on such a financial responsibility with this bad financial times and all. It must be a sing of your good business practices.

I my self can't even afford a used busted slider but I am glad to see good sings of a recovering economy. Lets all drink to that :drink: .

Anyhow, how much is one of those with all the bells an whistles going for nowadays?
Thanks for the compliment. We are good savers. We don't owe anyone anything except the landlord at the end of the month. I can't deal with machine payments.:no:

All the bells and whistles we did not get. We got the entry level machine. It has the basics, double end trimmers, top and bottom trimmers and a buffing station.

All the bells and whistles would have a pre-mill station. That is where the machine mills off the tape thickness at the lead in with a couple of cutters, both cutting toward the center of the panel to avoid blow outs.

And a profile station that can radius the edge of 3 mill tape.

Those are in excess of 50k. Ours not that but still could buy a nice truck with the money we spent.
Looks like you got all you need for cabinetry anyway.

I always wondered how cabinet shops that opt for the pre-mill and edge profiling recoup the extra cost for such options as I only seen the end results in the commercial cabinet industry which pays crap here in LA.
Congrats, you are going to love that machine.

This is ours, it gets used constantly, and other shops even come over and use it when they have a big edge banding job.

We had an employee feed the machine before the first piece was done, without realizing it, it made all sorts of expensive noises, and started shooting the roller pads off until he finally hit the emergeny stop. That wasnt a cheap mistake...

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We had some fun today.









There is a picture so it does exist.:whistling
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Sexy machine... Do you have a smaller project to break it in--or jumping right into your big gig?
Sexy machine... Do you have a smaller project to break it in--or jumping right into your big gig?
We should be able to do a couple little things then dive into the monster.:thumbsup:

Is that a hooka inside of that thing?
Me thinks you been smokin the peace pipe tonight.:whistling
We should be able to do a couple little things then dive into the monster.:thumbsup:



Me thinks you been smokin the peace pipe tonight.:whistling

Maybe it looks more like a vaporizer!!:laughing:
I seen one of those things not too long ago.

Cracked me up to see a guy sucking on the end of that pillow looking thing.:laughing:
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