Sounds like a mess. How much to small are the window openings? If very much means cutting things loose and starting over. Have seen framers run a saw around the opening to make it bigger, but that only work for so much. The door guess just get a metal sawsall blade and start cutting nails and more it to right spot. hopefully the thing is not all sheeted that will even make for more work to fit it. Good luck.

 

The window fit perfectly, if it didn't need trim. Possible to bump it up to avoid cutting thru the bottom cripples, then the OSB could be trimmed instead of having to replace that as well.

The door might be ok if I could live with the closeness to the adjacent wall, which is the exact space of the electrical box...doesn't allow for furniture or much on that wall. Still debating if that's worth the hassle.

 

That sucks...why is the landscaper installing the windows?

 

Didn't discover until I went to put window into rough opening that framer didn't allow for casing, sill etc.

Typically don't allow for casing and sill in rough openings. You order windows with a jamb sized for wall thickness... if that's where your heading.

 

This is a hundred plus year old rock house. Staying with old windows, which came without casing. Not a cookie cutter house.

BTW..framer had the window...so not like he didn't know what the deal was.

 

I'll try to post picture in a little while...not at the site right now. It's just a window with a wooden frame, without the sill or side casing.

 

If you can insert the window into the rough opening the only way it is to small is if there is not enough room to insulate. The trim does not need additional rough opening space. Is it the exterior trim or the interior trim that you think doesn't fit, and what is the trim set up? Extension jamb + Casing?

 

Maybe I am using the wrong term by trim. I am talking about a solid wooden sill and wrapping the window in wood sides. Right now the window (panes of glass in a wooden frame, no casement) just fits in the rough opening, which needs to adjusted to fit the sill and the sides and top with whatever dimension wood will work.

 

A B or C?

A- You have two sashes and you wish to build a double hung window like would be found on an old house with weights and so forth

B- You have a window from a window manufacture that operates as a double hung at the moment but you wish to place a sill under it as you see on the other parts of the old house

If you B Does it have a nailing flange?

C- Some other situation

 

Right to the first scenerio..intend to use this window. It is an arts and crafts style, will be hinged on the side so open like casement window. Why is it so much work to get a small opening to be larger? Escpecially if I am raising it an inch or less to accomodate the sill? I just need to cut thu the blowin in nails, right? I'd have to trim the OSB at the top, but not have to add OSB if done that way.

 

If there is no drywall yet it is not hard. It is a lot less fun than if it was right the first time but not that bad.

 

Are blown in nails kinda of like blown insulation. Im not understanding?

 

Also, did the framer build what was on the plans?

 

NO, the window was added afterwords. And blown in means under pressure nails, not the kind that are easily pulled out with a crowbar.

 

God save me, a landscaper talking framing.

I am completely at a loss in understanding the whole problem.

Andy.

 

The hard part of making the opening wider is that the header needs to be wider. All of which can be done. Just depends on if there is room to do it, and if the inside has been rocked already or not. Nothing that time and money can't fix.

 

Did you instruct the framer that the sash was going to have a frame and the frame was going to be xx by yy ?

 

I thought that part understood when I set the window on sawhorses right where it needed to be, minus the casement. Look, I'm outta here...not one of any of you explained if the nails could be cut out or how that expansion would be done. I went down and took pictures, but not really interested in posting anymore.

The mongrels of your profession are having a field day trying to feel superior, really casting a negative on your whole profession. I'd think an administrator could curb some of their bad behavior..but maybe it's just what I'd always suspected....lowest common denominator on the food chain...Jerk of All TRades...you nailed it!

 

You came on this site as a homeowner trying to figure out how to fix a problem. You could not accurately describe your problem. You want to talk down to us and call us low on the food chain?

Sounds like you hired cheap. Sounds like you had some misc window parts laying around and showed them to the framer. You didn't assemble the window for him to get accurate RO dimensions because you added to the scope late in the process. He made the opening for the sashes.

Right or wrong, sounds like bad communication and lack of details on a print.

Good thing you left, you wouldn't have lasted long anyway. This site is for pros, not HO.

 

You came on this site as a homeowner trying to figure out how to fix a problem. You could not accurately describe your problem. You want to talk down to us and call us low on the food chain?

Sounds like you hired cheap. Sounds like you had some misc window parts laying around and showed them to the framer. You didn't assemble the window for him to get accurate RO dimensions because you added to the scope late in the process. He made the opening for the sashes.

Right or wrong, sounds like bad communication and lack of details on a print.

Good thing you left, you wouldn't have lasted long anyway. This site is for pros, not HO.

Your contempt for the people who pay you is really an eye opener. I work for home owners too. I do not give them reason to have to go to a forum to fix things...If you had to correct this problem amongst yourselves (wrong sized hole for a window you knew had be framed that is truly remarkable statement about the state of your craft). With the exception of a couple of you who haven't sunk to this level, the concensus is and will remain in my book as I said...just sayin :whistling

 

Shut it down please.... My head hurts... Stick to pulling weeds, find a framer who is not the cheapest...

If I understNd correctly you have a old window sash, but do not have a casement/jamb. Sounds like the framer built it to the sash dimension.

 

Where are you located?

I would like to see this lawn framed debacle.

 

Can you please move that 35' tall blue spruce 2 feet to the left, and don't mess up the grass. You should have known that is where the shed is going.

 

Didn't discover until I went to put window into rough opening that framer didn't allow for casing, sill etc. Then the rough opening for door was right allowance, but needed to be moved to the left a foot. Is this just a sawsall cutting blown in nails or is there a better way to cut these nails out?



Have called to have framer fix this, stating that we all make mistakes and better than a bad reputation, etc..but have not heard back. Small claims court threat is not working either.



So just the facts, and I'll decide if I'm up to the challenge, ok?

As a framer, I was responsible to install all windows and exterior doors. Has this changed in the industry?


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That is still the norm here as well. This was however a remodel of an old home, so maybe they hired a specialist to install the windows due to them being so out of the ordinary.:whistling

 

From all information given, IMHO, I would say the easiest fix for the window is cut the glass smaller and move the electrical box so the door doesn't need to be moved..... then go mow the lawn!!!

 

If you reread my first post , I did say to get a metal sawsall blade to cut the nails off. And if you think there is to much pressure on them then force a longer stud in temperary until get it cut loose. I think I have tried to help you as much as I can given the information.

Sorry you think some of the guys have been a jerk, but in all fairness you have not done a very good job of presenting just what the problem was. Pretty much all the guys here are very good in what they do. Right or wrong when someone comes here acting like a HO with very little knowledge of what they are doing this tends to be the response given, sorry , but is just the way it is.

 

:whistling there may be other reasons they walked off and not embarassed, lowest common denominator type framers.

Framers don't build window frames based on supplied sashes, yet alone really know how to build custom windows. How would they even have a clue without guidance here. Even those on this site who can totally build windows to match from raw lumber ... they'd still need more information to get the opening right than just the sashes.

All hail the almighty and all knowing home owner wanna be building contractor who blames his subs for what he assumes or does not know. You can't or won't adjust to learn proper terminology when talking to seasoned professionals .... there is no other conclusion that you may very well be part of the problem

 

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