[Workin Kid]

Whats up with those jack rafters, the planing looks really screwy compared to the main pitch.

The jacks look off because the sides are 5/12 and that back section is 8/12....once weve nailed our facia, we chalk a line from the corner of the fascia to the point on the girder truss. then we cut it for the hip...saves us cutting brand new hipjacks.

the trusses are fine..

 

[Workin Kid]

The jack trusses for a dual pitch roof with sometime come 2-3 of the same length. You at that point would put your fascia on and chalk a line and cut to suit. Although while you guys are looking at that I am nonstop looking at the hacked to hell top cord of the truss closest to the camera man :blink:

It was a bunch of snow/ice/mud combo lol....what are you guys...the inspectors?

if it was too high we have a planer for that, but we rarely need to use it...i think once we needed it when we did a row of town houses and our roof didnt line up with the niehgbours....bad bad sh*t lol

 

[CanningCustom]

You planed the trusses :blink: oh man tell me ya didn't do that :smh:

 

[Workin Kid]

You planed the trusses :blink: oh man tell me ya didn't do that :smh:

yeah haha, i cant remember what the exact problem was but i remember our neighbours had to move their roof forward an inch and our roof back an inch...but another problem was the party truss...it was a triple with 4 layers of drwall i think...and the trusses weren't identical... so we had to plane the high spots..only on the firewall though..i cant remember exact details becuase i just started and was learning at the time..

 

[CanningCustom]

You used a planer on a truss yep definitely a rookie mistake. You are just lucky it was just the party wall gable :whistling: and I am in no way saying that it was a good idea.

 

[FramingPro]

You used a planer on a truss yep definitely a rookie mistake. You are just lucky it was just the party wall gable :whistling: and I am in no way saying that it was a good idea.

Are you standing up for truss mfg's????????

 

[Toolwh@#e]

I've planed the tops if trusses. Truss company told me to do it. Think I've taken off as much as a 1/4".

 

[CanningCustom]

Are you standing up for truss mfg's????????

Hell no!!!

 

[Workin Kid]

You used a planer on a truss yep definitely a rookie mistake. You are just lucky it was just the party wall gable :whistling: and I am in no way saying that it was a good idea.

lol, are you serious...what would you do for a built up truss where the trusses dont line up %100? for one..we dont build trusses...two ...you leave it for the roofers to hide? or you plane it flush to look perfect...

my boss told me to do it, hes the one with experience. Its not like we gouged out big notches... we shaved off a quarter inch here and a quarter inch there..half the trusses that get approved dont even have all of there edges anyways...and there's a reason why its called "rough carpentery" ...

 

[Dirtywhiteboy]

We use the 10 foot rule over here:whistling

 

[CanningCustom]

1/4" fine but nothing hits that truss without the manufacturers say so. Also I hate when people say that it's called rough carpentry for a reason.

 

[Workin Kid]

1/4" fine but nothing hits that truss without the manufacturers say so. Also I hate when people say that it's called rough carpentry for a reason.

why? its the truth..were not building gazebos where people can see imperfections that DON'T affect structure...and when trusses get approved with edges missing...a 1/4" shave on a built up truss is fine..

 

[CanningCustom]

You'll figure it out one day.

 

[Workin Kid]

You'll figure it out one day.

Sorry i'm not an engineer like you, but i know enough to know what will pass and what won't

and i know how to make money

 

[Mud Master]

i know enough to know what will pass and what won't

Problem is it's not just about what will pass, or the bare minimum. It's about proper techniques and pride in your work.

And just cause it's rough carpentry doesn't mean it has to look rough.

 

[Workin Kid]

Problem is it's not just about what will pass, or the bare minimum. It's about proper techniques and pride in your work.

And just cause it's rough carpentry doesn't mean it has to look rough.

you're right, pride in your work is important, but a steady pay cheque at the end of everyweek is more important to me... and if im wasting time trying to make things look perfect, its going to cost someone money..and that would be my boss..

in a couple more years when im compentent enough to frame houses myself, i can do things my own way, and im kinda a perfectionist..

but have to say, i agree with you.

 

[CanningCustom]

I am no engineer that is why i want approval from the truss company. I don't know off hand if say shave a 1/4" if it is going to make the load on a certain web significantly less and possibly fail. Look take it or leave it. I'm just trying to give you heads up, sorry i wasted my time.

 

[Chris@Sunrise]

Wow. That kid you would be down the road. Guys who say rough framing or rough carpentry around me get to have an early lunch. Theres no such thing it takes just as long to make it right than to hack it in.

Ive seen alot of guys with that attitude make alot of money, I've watched the same ones starve out when things slow down. They only get the jobs where low price wins. Those houses are the first to cut back production at a hiccup. The customs keep on going but hacks dont get to touch them. They loose there business and get to go work for someone else, all over having the rough carpentry mindset. Costs you money in the long run building always runs in waves better to always be on top!

 

[FramingPro]

Dan, the best way i can describe it is that you have to "walk the fine line between production and perfection"
Although there is a push to get it done, don't settle for less, find ways to incorporate quality techniques and procedures into the hustle and bustle. Anyone can slam the **** together fast, but what separates the true framers from the "rough carpenters" is the ability to turn out a quality frame in a timely fashion.
Just my 2 cents. :thumbsup:

 

[Brutus]

Nicks right.

However, as an employee, you also have to do what your boss says. You can protest against it, but the end of the day, he is the one that signs your cheque. That is also a fine line. Doing it to your standards vs. what the boss says and in the time frame the boss says. Now, if you can make good and tight, and have it done in the time frame dictated by the boss.... give 'er. Sometimes, you just have to know when to (for a lack of a better word) hack it together and when to make it pretty.