Nice to have ya back!

 

Looks like bark:blink:

Actually looking at it again it looks like the truss was frozen to the ground and broke off the top and left some grass on it .

 

You planed the trusses :blink: oh man tell me ya didn't do that :smh:

 

yeah haha, i cant remember what the exact problem was but i remember our neighbours had to move their roof forward an inch and our roof back an inch...but another problem was the party truss...it was a triple with 4 layers of drwall i think...and the trusses weren't identical... so we had to plane the high spots..only on the firewall though..i cant remember exact details becuase i just started and was learning at the time..

 

You used a planer on a truss yep definitely a rookie mistake. You are just lucky it was just the party wall gable :whistling: and I am in no way saying that it was a good idea.

 

Are you standing up for truss mfg's????????

 

I've planed the tops if trusses. Truss company told me to do it. Think I've taken off as much as a 1/4".

 

Are you standing up for truss mfg's????????

Hell no!!!

 

We use the 10 foot rule over here:whistling

 

1/4" fine but nothing hits that truss without the manufacturers say so. Also I hate when people say that it's called rough carpentry for a reason.

 

why? its the truth..were not building gazebos where people can see imperfections that DON'T affect structure...and when trusses get approved with edges missing...a 1/4" shave on a built up truss is fine..

 

You'll figure it out one day.

 

Sorry i'm not an engineer like you, but i know enough to know what will pass and what won't

and i know how to make money

 

I am no engineer that is why i want approval from the truss company. I don't know off hand if say shave a 1/4" if it is going to make the load on a certain web significantly less and possibly fail. Look take it or leave it. I'm just trying to give you heads up, sorry i wasted my time.

 

Wow. That kid you would be down the road. Guys who say rough framing or rough carpentry around me get to have an early lunch. Theres no such thing it takes just as long to make it right than to hack it in.

Ive seen alot of guys with that attitude make alot of money, I've watched the same ones starve out when things slow down. They only get the jobs where low price wins. Those houses are the first to cut back production at a hiccup. The customs keep on going but hacks dont get to touch them. They loose there business and get to go work for someone else, all over having the rough carpentry mindset. Costs you money in the long run building always runs in waves better to always be on top!

 

Dan, the best way i can describe it is that you have to "walk the fine line between production and perfection"
Although there is a push to get it done, don't settle for less, find ways to incorporate quality techniques and procedures into the hustle and bustle. Anyone can slam the **** together fast, but what separates the true framers from the "rough carpenters" is the ability to turn out a quality frame in a timely fashion.
Just my 2 cents. :thumbsup:

 

So how many houses have you framed?

 

Nicks right.

However, as an employee, you also have to do what your boss says. You can protest against it, but the end of the day, he is the one that signs your cheque. That is also a fine line. Doing it to your standards vs. what the boss says and in the time frame the boss says. Now, if you can make good and tight, and have it done in the time frame dictated by the boss.... give 'er. Sometimes, you just have to know when to (for a lack of a better word) hack it together and when to make it pretty.

 

Dan, the best way i can describe it is that you have to "walk the fine line between production and perfection"
Although there is a push to get it done, don't settle for less, find ways to incorporate quality techniques and procedures into the hustle and bustle. Anyone can slam the **** together fast, but what separates the true framers from the "rough carpenters" is the ability to turn out a quality frame in a timely fashion.
Just my 2 cents. :thumbsup:

Man that speech sounds vaguely familiar

 

Its a reflection of my thoughts based on your, and everyone elses influence on me. So yea, parts will be familiar :thumbsup:

 

wow..... the criticism is overwhelming.....but entertaining

 

Constructive criticism. If we can help change his attitude while he is still young he will grow into a super framer. If the production mind set sticks for too long, change will be impossible, just like how alot of old guys are stuck to their ways of doing things.

 

I don't think thats really relevant, whether it is 1 or 100, my views remain the same.

I think experience is the most relevant thing in this industry. Until you have worked your way around all of the problems that can come to pass from time lines to technical problems your views can always change. I'm not saying that quality or efficiency should ever suffer but never say your view on things can't change because at that point you stop learning.

 

I think it really boils down to one question. "What are your tolerances?" Is it the width of a pencil line, chalk line or the beam of your laser? Is it dead nuts on, or is the bubble just between the lines? When are those tolerances more important than other times? If I try to square the house on the foundation, does that help anybody if the frame is hanging over 3/4" on one corner? Wouldn't it be better to be straight and parallel than square if it just means you're out of square a sixteenth every 4 feet? How can your tolerances be more than the variation in your lumber, like when CCA 2X6 tends to be 5-5/8"X 1-5/8"? Or 10' 2X10's always being 9-3/8" while the 16's are 9-1/4"?

Don't get me wrong, I strive for perfection. Even then things can try to get away from you. An eighth off on the first floor usually grows to a quarter at the top of the second. Sometimes you have to know where you have a little more slack. Not in kitchens and bathrooms, that's for sure. but a quarter inch out of parallel in 36 feet on a bedroom gable end? I can probably live with that.

At the end of the day you ask yourself, "Can I live with that? Can I sleep tonite without it bothering me half the night?" Almost always the answer is yes. But on occasion, the first things I grab in the morning is a catspaw and a sawzall to fix something I can't live with. Why is it always the first thing in the morning when I take a shower in sawdust?

 

At the end of the day you ask yourself, "Can I live with that? Can I sleep tonite without it bothering me half the night?"

Bottle of whiskey says I sleep great:laughing:

 

amen to that.... it even helps with aches and pains

 

That may explain why I never feel aches or pains. :whistling

 

Ya being square is most important Starting with squaring foundation Take the time pull your diagonals tolerance to shoot for is 1/16 inch from sill plates up to rafters stack frame everything Use lots of string. Make cuts for hips valleys tight so you can't slide a peace of paper in it. If you are in the custom house game it means everything. Anyone can build a box and set some trusses and the price reflects that. It's a different game when you are building custom roofs with multiple bastard hips and valleys. I can understand the "good enough" attitude in building track homes but don't like it

 

When you show me a foundation put in to those tolerances, then I'll frame it to those. If you finally decide to pay me that much.

 

Here's a few of our winter build.

 

Here's a timber frame screen porch I did this week.

 

Regardless of foundation you can make square with adjusting your chalked lines. Within reason I haven't had a foundation more than3/4 out. Good foundation guy should keep within that tolerance. Wouldn't you say?

 

Sure they should. 3//4' is a bit too much for my liking, but I can deal with it. But like I said, who does it help if I'm hanging over the foundation that 3/4" on one corner and in the same on the other?

You said within reason. I get that. Before you said a sixteenth. I just think that's asking a bit much. Do you understand significant digits?

Look, I said before I try to get things as close as I can, but some material and equipment tolerances only let you get things so close. A good framer does the best he can with the foundation he is given to give a quality product and watch out for those following him.

 

It's not unlikely for foundations around here to be 2 1/2" out of square. A whole lot of pushing and pulling lines to have adequate bearing on your plates and no pushing the brick off the foundation.

 

http://www.contractortalk.com/f14/check-foundation-out-58232/


Check this one out from a few years ago

 

http://www.contractortalk.com/f14/check-foundation-out-58232/

Check this one out from a few years ago

At least they didn't miss any beam pockets in that one