[RooferJim]

It looks terrible if you rack laminates. books or stair stepping is the way. Three tabs no problem to rack in fact it is better and faster.

 

[MJW]

I call them water troughs. Don't know what the 'written" proper term is.

I know what you mean about that picture you mentioned. I thought the same thing. It must have been really warm that day.

 

[MJW]

Three tabs no problem to rack in fact it is better and faster.

That's a personal opinion. It looks terrible if you ask me. When I see people doing it I think "amateur". But that's my opinion.

 

[2ndGen]

It looks terrible if you rack laminates. books or stair stepping is the way. Three tabs no problem to rack in fact it is better and faster.

Depends on the hands on the shingles.
Technique doesn't make the roof...craftsmanship does.

 

[2ndGen]

When the shingles are broken from lifting them to nail the ends when racking, you won't get a claim. Don't even start in on, "I don't break the mat when I lift them". You do, trust me. We did an 6-plex last year that had Timberlines on it. They had cracks starting from top to bottom on the "racking" line. It was easy to get that job after we showed the owners how they were installed incorrectly.

As a matter of fact, it does say to install them on the roof deck. Just because it doesn't say not to, and you do it anyways, that's just plain ignorance.

Again...that GAF crap.

Exactly "how" do you break a shingle when lifting it?

And where's my proof that CertainTeed forbids racking for Landmarks! :laughing:

 

[MJW]

I've shown you many times in this post already 2ndgen. I really don't care if you are doing work incorrectly or not. You have no proof that it is a recommended method. I don't have to prove anything to be correct because it is written on the bags and in the MSA book showing how to install the shingles.

 

[MJW]

In that case, you can put them upside down on the roof. It doesn't say "not" to do it.

 

[2ndGen]

=Slyfox;401056]I swear i never once ever used the word "stacking" until i posted here on this subject,

So if a term doesn't exist in "Ohio", it doesn't exist?
Ever heard of "alligatoring" or "fishmouthing" or "telegraphing"?

With Gutters, the pipes coming down from the gutter are technically called "downspouts", but we ('round deez here parts) call them "leaders".

:blink:"2ndGen is a bad influence":blink:

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

I saw a picture here in this forum once were a guy was lifting a laminate up at the lower left corner so he could show a pic of the flashing work underneath at the eave and thought "wow" that lower part of the shingle is going to curl up and look horrible in a few years after he bent it up like that, but i didn't reply to him about it because i didn't know how to say it with out seeming rude so i just left it alone.

What would make that particular shingle act differently from the others? Once that sun heats it, it seals back down (unless forcefully pulled up by winds or by hand).

But i guess i mentioned that now because that could fall into the catagory of causing cracks in the laminates when lifting them to high or in cooler weather to get that nail underneath.

Technically, shingles shouldn't be installed in weather so cold that they become brittle. I generally don't work below 50 degrees. The ARMA suggests they not be installed below 40 degrees.

"The Asphalt Roofing Manufacturers Association (ARMA) says shingles become less flexible at temperatures lower than 40 F and more prone to cracking during installation."

http://www.professionalroofing.net/article.aspx?A_ID=1206

I call the water cuts in the 3-tabs "bondlines", whats the proper term?

Good question. I've heard cutouts, keys (though I don't know why), slots, but generally, cutouts are the accepted term.

I'm interested in hearing what other terms might exist throughout other parts of the country.

 

[2ndGen]

That's a personal opinion. It looks terrible if you ask me. When I see people doing it I think "amateur". But that's my opinion.

Well, coming from a "general" contractor who does a little bit of everything instead of being a "specialist" in one field,
not too concerning for Roofers.

How something that's been practiced successfully for a century can be called "amateur" is beyond me.

It's a good thing "general" contractors don't define for Roofers "what's" the right way.

But hey! That's just my "professional" opinion! :thumbsup:

:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

 

[2ndGen]

I've shown you many times in this post already 2ndgen. I really don't care if you are doing work incorrectly or not. You have no proof that it is a recommended method. I don't have to prove anything to be correct because it is written on the bags and in the MSA book showing how to install the shingles.

Negative! You've shown me nothing! Still waiting for it! :laughing:
Either that, or an admission that you were wrong to state that CertainTeed will "not" honor their warranty if a Landmark roof is racked.

And I never, I repeat..."never", stated that it was the "recommended" method. Don't put words in my mouth. :shutup:
I simply said that I've never heard it to officially be forbidden by CertainTeed in writing.

 

[2ndGen]

In that case, you can put them upside down on the roof. It doesn't say "not" to do it.

But installing them upside down hasn't been done for a hundred years.

 

[MJW]

You only have one point, and that it doesn't say "NOT" to rack them.

In this state of MN we have to be licensed to do any work. I am licensed as a General Contractor, so that is what I wrote. You are border line on a personal attack.


Bring it to the attention of your rep and you will find out the truth.


Why would a shingle act differently after being lifted you say????? You need to go back and learn about the layers of shingles, different mats, and what fiberglass is......think about it........and then re-word what you wrote. I can't believe that was said by a roofer.

 

[2ndGen]

=MJW;401279]You only have one point, and that it doesn't say "NOT" to rack them.

Thank you for that admission. Finally.

Bring it to the attention of your rep and you will find out the truth.

I wouldn't be surprised if you joined me tomorrow in calling our local reps. :laughing:

Why would a shingle act differently after being lifted you say?????

Come on now...quote me correctly and "in" context...

"What would make that particular shingle act differently from the others?"

"from" the others...if the lifted shingle won't stick because it was lifted, then what about the rest of the roof that is exactly the same age?

What's "your" answer (besides your questioning the question)?

You need to go back and learn about the layers of shingles, different mats, and what fiberglass is......think about it........and then re-word what you wrote. I can't believe that was said by a roofer.

Well, I wouldn't dare tell you how to install vynil siding or how to replace a window. :thumbsup:

(Funny, but anybody engaging in Roofing work needs to be licensed "as" a "Roofer" in your state, no?)

 

[Slyfox]

=Slyfox;401056]I swear i never once ever used the word "stacking" until i posted here on this subject, So if a term doesn't exist in "Ohio", it doesn't exist?
Ever heard of "alligatoring" or "fishmouthing" or "telegraphing"?

With Gutters, the pipes coming down from the gutter are technically called "downspouts", but we ('round deez here parts) call them "leaders".


Quote:
:blink:"2ndGen is a bad influence":blink:
:laughing::laughing::laughing:


I was trying to be funny, hope you took it that way.
The swearing to never using the word Stacking lead up to the reference of you being a bad influence :laughing:, but was doing it in a good jokingly way tho,not in a disputing way.

 

[2ndGen]

:laughing::laughing::laughing:
I was trying to be funny, hope you took it that way.
The swearing to never using the word Stacking lead up to the reference of you being a bad influence :laughing:, but was doing it in a good jokingly way tho,not in a disputing way.

:laughing: I was actually laughing my butt off! :thumbsup:

 

[MJW]

Yes, roofers have to be licensed as a roofer, but a licensed GC can do everything, excluding plumbing and electrical. This is why I did the GC course. Funny thing is, a person can do siding without a license at all, but they still require permits.


For your other post, just because something has been done for "100 years" doesn't mean it's right.

 

[2ndGen]

MJW;401352]Yes, roofers have to be licensed as a roofer, but a licensed GC can do everything, excluding plumbing and electrical.

But you can't do commercial roofing, right (only residential roofing)?

Also, if your gross income exceeds $15,000. from roofing, don't you have to be a licensed roofer?

This is why I did the GC course. Funny thing is, a person can do siding without a license at all, but they still require permits.

To be honest, I think every trade should be licensed (even siders). I've seen some wicked siding and roofing jobs. New York is trailing as far as licensing requirements are concerned.

For your other post, just because something has been done for "100 years" doesn't mean it's right.

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

I'm just going to leave that one "floating" around for a while.

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

I can't even respond to that it's so funny!

 

[MJW]

Commercial roofers don't even have a license.

Our license means nothing in commercial work, but we don't need it to do commercial work, if that makes sense.

Less than $15,000, yes, in legal terms, you can do anything without a license. Not saying you will get a permit though.


You can let the topic float if you want. I'm the only one responding anyhow. This topic has been discussed too many times as it is.

 

[2ndGen]

Commercial roofers don't even have a license.

Our license means nothing in commercial work, but we don't need it to do commercial work, if that makes sense.

Less than $15,000, yes, in legal terms, you can do anything without a license. Not saying you will get a permit though.


You can let the topic float if you want. I'm the only one responding anyhow. This topic has been discussed too many times as it is.

Not the topic, just this! :laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

"For your other post, just because something has been done for "100 years" doesn't mean it's right."

 

[MJW]

oh, ok, well whatever. have a good laugh about a good statement. Not sure about any of your posts now. Are you drunk?