Questions about Hardie Shingles

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Shocker00

Discussion Starter · Aug 21, 2009

I have done vinyl siding for about 10 yrs but never done any hardie shingles before. The house is a brick house with wood gables. Im going to be siding three gables. The house has already had soffit and fascia installed last year. The osb board sticks out about 3/4 of an inch from the wall on the bottom so i wrapped it with coil. I have a Hitachi siding gun for hardie plank that i will be using. What type of nail do i use to face nail areas that might need it?

Which way is best:
1: Put the siding right against the soffit channel on the gable and caulk?
2: Put trim against the soffit channel and butt the shingles against the trim and caulk?
3: Install Shingles and put trim over the shingles against the soffit?
4: Use vinyl siding channel and tuck shingles in the channel? on this option, what size channell is recommended?

Thanks in adavance for any help.

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jumbo

· #2 · Aug 21, 2009

I usually go with option 1 or 2. All depends on what look the customer wants. If they used a 3/4" face soffit channel instead of a 1 1/4" face f-channel, I would definitly use a frieeze board. I use a smooth shank 2 1/4" x .092 in my guns, same for face nailing. I never shoot face nails in. Always pre-drill and hand nail. Good luck on your job.

WNYcarpenter

· #3 · Aug 21, 2009

Hardi shingles with rain grooves are a PITA! Lots of cutting and lots of waste on gables....add more to your expected sq. footage than normal.

The tabs are three different sizes and every panel is the same. We dont like putting the rain grooves closer than 4" and that is hard to accomplish quickly.

We haven't had any problems using a 15 ga. finish nailer when face nailing.

I prefer using a frieze board if it fits the style of the house.

wallmaxx

· #4 · Aug 22, 2009

This is the way people are used to it up here in the PNW.

In TX I used to butt siding into soffit and then add trim over that. It, like most carpentry is a regional preference thing.

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WNYcarpenter

· #5 · Aug 22, 2009

Wallmax

Have you used the cement shingle panels that have rain grooves that expose the course below like 3-tab shingles?

Hardi Straight Edge Notched Shingle

The only reason I can think why we used them was for a more authentic look, They are a FPITA!!!

wallmaxx

· #6 · Aug 22, 2009 (Edited)

WNYcarpenter said:
Wallmax

Have you used the cement shingle panels that have rain grooves that expose the course below like 3-tab shingles?

Hardi Straight Edge Notched Shingle

The only reason I can think why we used them was for a more authentic look, They are a FPITA!!!

No I haven't. This was my first Hardie shingle of any type. I have done different types of cedar shingle and fish scale.

The lumber salesman suggested not using the type you mentioned. He said most installers weren't too happy with them. He pushed these instead. The builder, PM and HO agreed. I just shot them into place.

They came in 12", 8", and 6" widths. The problem with this 12 year old tract home is that the mega-builder/developer had the framers push the gable truss out 1/2" and not sheathe it. Then they originally ran that masonite looking shingle type siding directly on the truss.

I had to sheet the truss, as per Hardie shingle installation instructions (duh), which then meant that the "belly" band (as they call it up here) had to be 1 1/2" rather than 5/4" so that the shingles wouldn't hang too far past said band. Up here we have cedar all the way up to 24' - 2x12 so that's not a problem. We went with cedar because the option of 30' of 8" x 1 1/2" Azek made the lumber salesman laugh too hard. (I still don't know if they make it in that thickness or it would just cost beyond any form of reality)

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Kgmz

· #7 · Aug 22, 2009

Definitely use a frieze board, if you are going to the expense of shingled gables don't cheap out.

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wallmaxx

· #8 · Aug 22, 2009

Kgmz said:
Definitely use a frieze board, if you are going to the expense of shingled gables don't cheap out.

Nice!:thumbsup:

jumbo

· #9 · Aug 22, 2009

I think shocker was talking about a frieeze board against the soffit, not a horizontal band.

thesidingpro

· #10 · Aug 22, 2009

Yea using my terms I don't see a frieze board on that house. Someone went cheap.:laughing:

thermax

· #11 · Aug 22, 2009

are they actually using insulation under fiber cement? i hope not.

jumbo

· #12 · Aug 22, 2009

thermax said:
are they actually using insulation under fiber cement? i hope not.

I agree, that can be a long term nightmare.

Kgmz

· #13 · Aug 22, 2009

thesidingpro said:
Yea using my terms I don't see a frieze board on that house. Someone went cheap.:laughing:

Maybe it is the angle of the picture, but it is there. See enlargement.

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Kgmz

· #14 · Aug 22, 2009 (Edited)

I think there is a frieze board on this one too. This pic has a better angle.

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Kgmz

· #15 · Aug 22, 2009

This pic is not that great, scan from a pic from cheap camera in 1990. But a better angle to see the frieze board.

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Kgmz

· #16 · Aug 22, 2009 (Edited)

More pics from 1989-1990.

I think I know what a frieze board is or at least what they call it around here, since this is what I was building 20 years ago. A frieze board around here is the board flat on the wall under the rafter tails or under the rake of a gable up against the soffit and flat on the wall, and which the siding butts up to.

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jumbo

· #17 · Aug 23, 2009

Certainly no offense meant, KG. Nice work.

Kgmz

· #18 · Aug 27, 2009

Found a pic of the next to last house under construction I posted earlier, finished.

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