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be careful.

they have the upper hand under cupcca.

cupcca may even require basic plans and specs.

ask for them or submit yours for approval prior to signing anything.

include specs for everything.

without plans who is responsible for the design?
 

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Okay I asked. I'm assuming you meant California Uniform Construction Cost Accounting Commission


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California Uniform Public Construction Cost Accounting Act.

commonly referred to as "cupcake".

fairly involved with lots of regs.

be very leery of the no plans/specs etc.

how do you know what to bid?

also at anytime in the game a public works director, etc, can jump in and say hey no way we are doing this.....

dollar amounts are a big issue & how they are divided up.

dir & entity legal departments can/will get involved.

if dollar amounts are some how exceeded other GC's can contest the award.
 

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if dollar amounts are some how exceeded other GC's can contest the award.
Here even if they are not, project can be stalled until until complainer is satisfied.

Complainer can be anyone not just competitor, a nearby property owner or a busybody
 

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I’ve done several little government funded projects like that around here (not chicago) and it is nothing like you guys describe. I could see on larger projects the headaches and problems would grow however all the little stuff I’ve done is been pretty straightforward

The only true difference is just the additional paperwork and it is mainly because the disclosure laws which i understand to make sure nobody is stealing or using the money for personal gain that is allocated for the project. Most difficult paperwork is Showing wages paid to all employees to satisfy the PW work and the materials.


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Only time I ever took on public works stuff was when there was nothing else available. Prevailing wage is a pain, all the paperwork and meetings are a pain, jobs drag out way too long, etc. Tough to make any money and they tie up time you could spend with good private clients.
 

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Here even if they are not, project can be stalled until until complainer is satisfied.



Complainer can be anyone not just competitor, a nearby property owner or a busybody


They called my competitors, my competitors sent them to me.


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That should tell you something, right there. If it was a cakewalk, they would have grabbed it.
maybe, but many guys are not fully insured with complete above the board, legal payroll.

also, likely no upfront money, so that also limits the pool.

but the whole thing with with no plans, inspections, minimal paperwork bothers me.

sounds like the entity is trying to cut corners.
 

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Or it's too small and they just want it done.
maybe, but many guys are not fully insured with complete above the board, legal payroll.

also, likely no upfront money, so that also limits the pool.

but the whole thing with with no plans, inspections, minimal paperwork bothers me.

sounds like the entity is trying to cut corners.
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Or it's too small and they just want it done.

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yes, can be the case.

but there are still cupcca rules & no way in hell would i proceed on that job without their plans & specs.

don't forget this is california.

doesn't sound to me like the entity doesn't know about cupcca. many don't.
 

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We did few Bridges 1-2 yrs ago. For City but through a mega Union Contractor. So we primarily dealt with them not the gov. I had hardly anything to work with so I got detail sketches from national park Bridges and worked of them. Which ate typically designed by army core. No Huss no fuss. It was a walk in the park.... Literally...lol
yes, can be the case.

but there are still cupcca rules & no way in hell would i proceed on that job without their plans & specs.

don't forget this is california.

doesn't sound to me like the entity doesn't know about cupcca. many don't.
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bunch of questions off of this drawing....

what is pressure treated redwood?

not to mention a bunch of other stuff.

so there is an architect involved.

he will be inspecting.

grade of hdwe not spec'd.

radius edge to what radius?

railing cleart df?

2x6 rwd decking attached w/wood screws?

what grade & type of screw?

there's more.....

now it's getting more complicated.

what about the budget?

more PITA than you may see.

you'll burn a ream of paper on rfi's....
 

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I believe the plans are wrong on a bunch of levels. They contradict themselves. One says redwood the other says Trex. I think a landscape architect drew them. This is par for course. I've got a meeting with her on Friday.


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I believe the plans are wrong on a bunch of levels. They contradict themselves. One says redwood the other says Trex. I think a landscape architect drew them. This is par for course. I've got a meeting with her on Friday.


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There just a basic guide line. They'll go to Mike for clarifying what's what. Ive been there done that. Bring a full cup to meeting.

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