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Any of you guys notice that despite reading the same with a pin meter or whatever that prefinished stuff is pound for pound harder? What gives?
 

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Actually, there is plenty of red in prefinished. Most natural is red. They will mix red and white in the darker colors.(Aghast!) I mean same for same. I've just always thought the prefinished stuff seemed harder to drive a nail through. Maybe it's my imagination.
 

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Im sure the finishing process has something to do with it. All that aluminum oxide flying around theres bound to be some side effects, lol. I would agree with you though, ive thought the same thing.
 

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It's been a long time since I hand nailed walls, but I remember it was really no big deal with unfinished stuff. Just some #6 casing nails with a little 3 in 1 squirted on them and it was not a whole lot different than driving a 16 through a 2x4, but on prefinished stuff, you'd bust it to pieces if you didn't drill first. Prefinished white oak can be awful. Rock friggen hard. I'm sure there's a logical (and probably obvious) answer. I just don't know it.
 

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It's been a long time since I hand nailed walls, but I remember it was really no big deal with unfinished stuff. Just some #6 casing nails with a little 3 in 1 squirted on them and it was not a whole lot different than driving a 16 through a 2x4, but on prefinished stuff, you'd bust it to pieces if you didn't drill first. Prefinished white oak can be awful. Rock friggen hard. I'm sure there's a logical (and probably obvious) answer. I just don't know it.
used to hand nail the last 3-4 courses with screw nails..we would use the head of a screw nail to counter set each nail before moving..

talk about a waste of time..

but that's how I learned.
 

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Coffee, are you a stapler or a cleat fan?

I use staples. They hold better. I also like the wider crown. It's handy for getting stuff together.
 

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Coffee, are you a stapler or a cleat fan?

I use staples. They hold better. I also like the wider crown. It's handy for getting stuff together.
I was going to say I can feel the difference between guns as well. I use a Bostitch stapler for domestics and powernail guns for everything else.
 

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That makes as much sense as anything else, I guess. But it's just a second or two under that UV light. Maybe there are some kinda freaky gamma rays shooting at it too.
 

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I was going to say I can feel the difference between guns as well.

To me, the trick with a stapler is to run it at around 80 pounds, and knock the fool out of it. I grew up using a Powernailer doing 2-1/4. I guess old habits die hard, but I really believe there is something to be said for being able to hit the tool hard and not worry about shattering the material. It's always worked for me. I still use a Lixie hammer, so I guess I'm a dinosaur (pronounced dyna-sour like in Jurassic Park ) Then again, good racking usually negates the need to beat out cracks.

Remember bundled wood? Does anyone still do that? Man! I so miss bundled wood. What a dream to rack.
 

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Lixie mallet?? Damn you are old lol. We won't discuss why I know what one is either...
 

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I've forced myself to use that double-rubber Mexi-mallet all the guys from the deep south use, but the Lixie setup with an orange and a black is really hard beat. It's the leverage. It's like swinging a mattock that never misses. (Shakin' it, Boss!)
 

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They cook the al ox finishes. Im pretty confident its the heat from the oven that does it.
Im skeptical that it is the heat increasing the hardness.. All flooring is kiln dried first, if heat increased hardness it would increase equally on pre and un finished. The uv lights they use on prefinished is a very brief exposure.
 

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Dude, you would be surprised. You should see some of the "crews" running rampant over here.
No I wouldn't. I live in South Florida - home of the $1/sf tile install :rolleyes: The South Americans and the scumbags who will hire them have almost ruined the trade I've gnarled my hands learning the right way.
 
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