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R. Manning Jr. Millworks
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Well the time has come for a new table saw in the shop.

Wurth Luis and Co. has a SCM Nova 400 on sale for $10,900 great deal but it's a 10' a little to big for my shop.

But they can get me a SCM minimax SC 4 ELITE 8' for $8,950.

I just wanted to know if anyone has one or has used one, maybe you can comment with your opinion on the saw.
 

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Well the time has come for a new table saw in the shop.

Wurth Luis and Co. has a SCM Nova 400 on sale for $10,900 great deal but it's a 10' a little to big for my shop.

But they can get me a SCM minimax SC 4 ELITE 8' for $8,950.

I just wanted to know if anyone has one or has used one, maybe you can comment with your opinion on the saw.
Have you considered looking for a used martin or altendorf? Get a better saw for less money?

I only have experience with a early 90s scmi. The Italians make good machines, for the most part.
 

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R. Manning Jr. Millworks
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Have you considered looking for a used martin or altendorf? Get a better saw for less money?

I only have experience with a early 90s scmi. The Italians make good machines, for the most part.
Yes I have been looking for a used one for a while, only problem is no one takes care of them and there all beat to hell. Don't want to pay $4,000-$6,000 for a worn out saw with a lot of play in the slider.
 

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Yes I have been looking for a used one for a while, only problem is no one takes care of them and there all beat to hell. Don't want to pay $4,000-$6,000 for a worn out saw with a lot of play in the slider.
Any local used machinery dealers?

They will stand behind a purchase and probably offer better support then scm.
 

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So ....

Full sheets.......

Going horizontal is going to suck up space........



Have you considered vertical panel milling.......:blink:


For $10-$15 k you can get yourself some serious Dutch/German made vertical panel milling machinery.

Personally,...
I think horizontal sizing is go the way of the VCR...:laughing:.......pita.......:rolleyes:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/HOLZ-HER-12...688?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41767d2ad0



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Nothing wrong with SCMI. Had 2 Hydro's in my old shop that we beat on pretty good. I never used a vertical panel saw, but my understanding was that if you do a mix of panel and solid stock, the horizontal saw is more flexible.

The Altendorf and Martin are better saws, but I don't know if the price difference is worth it. If you shop the used market, make sure you check the guides for wear, especially on the Altendorf which need to be replaced from time to time.
 

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R. Manning Jr. Millworks
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So ....

Full sheets.......

Going horizontal is going to suck up space........



Have you considered vertical panel milling.......:blink:


For $10-$15 k you can get yourself some serious Dutch/German made vertical panel milling machinery.

Personally,...
I think horizontal sizing is go the way of the VCR...:laughing:.......pita.......:rolleyes:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/HOLZ-HER-12...688?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41767d2ad0



B,
It's not going to take up anymore space than I'm using now.

That Holz-Her is no space saver plus 15k used I don't think so.
 

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For the price piont I like grizzly tools. We are running a g0699 12". I like the tool dust col. is good not perfect. I think they are in the 6k mark with some way under that number some way above. Note only had the tool 1.5 year so give it time.

They do have a good deal on a pannel saw. 1450.00 out the door. I'm going to buy one soon. What is the worst thing that could happen for that money. I'm looking to just rough cut then true up with the slide saw of reg saw.

Most of my shop is grizzly tools. Been running them for years no issues. Just picked up the new 20 planner this past July while up in Pa.

I'm looking for a new spray both now. Place in N.c. looks to have a good price piont on them.
 

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(IMO) ,
A VPS doesn't take up space , actually very little . Consider the horizontal application. A "full" comercial slider will eat up 3-400 sq ft of shop space to perform with nothing in the way- 20' x 18' depending on the machine.

It's just my oppinion so please don't take it personally....I realize we all have our own way. I have been leaning on getting a vertical panel saw for the last few years just because of the space savings.....all in due time.


Just a nice clean set up IMO - (example): http://youtu.be/eUsPvt37a5M



Good luck with your find for your slider and I hope it all works out for you ..:thumbsup:


B,
 

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We bought a used SCMI about 9 years ago. Its been a great saw. Cuts are incredibly square.
I was never that comfortable using it to break down parts on a day to day basis though. Reaching over the blade is awkward to say the least and dangerous to say the most. But there are plenty of shops that do it all day every day with great success. I'm happy that we went the cnc route.

My partner cam from a high volume commercial shop with a Holtzer vertical panel saw. It may be an issue that has been worked out on newer machines but theirs was very difficult to keep true. They required a separate floating slab to mount to. Any slight movement in the floor creates a problem for the machine to produce square parts. The machine is still in service and still has difficulty on the floating slab.
The hollow ground blades were very temperamental as well. They didn't have a scoring blade. It had a scoring knife of sorts that they chose not to use for quality reasons.

Other than that, he loved the hell out of that machine. I do mean that. They broke down units of material every week and enjoyed the functionality of the saw. The quality issues be damned.

I understand the shop space issue of a slider too. It is a big foot print. We reduced it, so to speak, by including the UniSaw on the same table. We have never regretted that. On occasion two guys may be bidding for the same space but that really hasn't been an issue.

If I was setting up for production with no eye on cnc technology, I would take a long hard look at an Altendorf with electronic fence. They seem to be the saw of choice for many shops in our area. There has to be a list of reasons. There have been used ones come up for sale from time time too but usually that shop is just upgrading into another Altendorf.


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R. Manning Jr. Millworks
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Thanks Gus for your input.

I have always used a slider till I opened my own shop.

All the shops around here use them, don't see nearly as many vertical panel saws.

Right now I have two unisaws the slider will replace one the other will only be used for solid stock and dados.

And like you I was going to have them share the same table.
 

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You are welcome.

The vertical saw is less fatiguing than a slider. The panel pretty much sits in the same position and there is less lifting involved. And , as you know, with a slider you have to spin the panel to square it, reach over and remove the rips .... It is not a job for a bad back. Then again none of it is.

But I wouldn't rule out a used machine. As long as it is under power when you look at it, you should be able to tell if it still has life left in it.
 

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I've never used the tigerfence before but we do have digital fences on our saws. If you do buy a new saw, you should at least upgrade to the digital fences even if they aren't motorized. We put a digifence on the unisaw and we got a Felder Format 4 slider with digital fences. I can't remember the name of the company that makes the digital fences for Felder. They're really nice and it's been 2+ years and we haven't even had to change the battery in them yet.
 

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Consider a (vps)vertical panel saw. It is jammed to the wall and takes very little space. Is very easy to use. Dead on accurate. I got my Holz Her for $2200. The market is flooded with vps as shops move to cnc.
 
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