I bought autocad in the beginning, 2.9 I think. Upgraded through the years to version 2000. Spent a lot of money on it. The computers that run it have all finally failed. New machines running windows 11 won't run it. Not going to spend any more money with Autodesk, well over $10,000 dollars. Looking for options to make my version 2000 run on W 11. Tried knock offs and thought about buying used computer with earlier version of windows. I have no speed with knock offs and don't want to fly around with multiple computers. Open to suggestions?
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First listing in a google search. You owe me $50.
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AutoCAD LT 2000 on Windows 10 - 64 bit - SUCCESS
I installed AutoCAD LT 2000 on my new Windows 10 64-bit (NO VIRTUAL PC). Very happy this still works for little projects. Hope this helps. This is an updated post to install on Windows 10, modified slightly from instructions I posted a few years ago for installing on Windows 8. The following...
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I don't get your thinking process.
If you have to PAY to get the CAD you want to do business......make it part of your costs and make your customers pay for it.
You have many excuses why you can't or won't................if this is for business.......pay to play. If it's for hobby, learn new apps that are free.
I really hate a defeatist attitude.
Good luck.
If you have to PAY to get the CAD you want to do business......make it part of your costs and make your customers pay for it.
You have many excuses why you can't or won't................if this is for business.......pay to play. If it's for hobby, learn new apps that are free.
I really hate a defeatist attitude.
Good luck.
Label yourself dumb ass of 2023 or put the cake you have wasted on more junk. I know, tough choice
Mike
Mike
I have acad 2003. I don't plan on buying it again. Bought it once and that was enough. I don't blame him for wanting to make his version work without putting out a ridiculous chunk of change to do what you can already do.
Funny how a 100 year old plane or handsaw can work just as well today as when it was new, while modern tools go poof in just a few years.
I don't have Acad, but there are a few other perfectly serviceable applications I've been forced to upgrade or abandon as the available OS's and utilities have mutated. Resented it every time. It's not like they wore out.
I don't have Acad, but there are a few other perfectly serviceable applications I've been forced to upgrade or abandon as the available OS's and utilities have mutated. Resented it every time. It's not like they wore out.
I trashed a bunch of software uears ago, and wished I hadn't. Who new they would have come up with affordable emulators and virtual machines.
Does not matter how much you spent on it through the years, the newer programs work better on the newer OS. Face it what you have is obsolete.
Its all part of business and the ability for us to produce quality work efficiently.
We could all still be using no cordless drills, no track saws, no sketchup, no rendering software. no lasers. We did not eat the cost for all of that we charged accordingly
Its all part of business and the ability for us to produce quality work efficiently.
We could all still be using no cordless drills, no track saws, no sketchup, no rendering software. no lasers. We did not eat the cost for all of that we charged accordingly
If you get pro grade software as a hobbyist and spend thousands on it in the 90s, it's pretty disappointing when it won't run any more.
So people who ***** about paying programmers to write code don't value the coding business.
Since builders used to build houses for $80 PSF, I think it should still be that price. Why should I pay anymore than that?
Stupid, right?
If it's for BUSINESS ("not hobby") then the BUSINESS covers the costs as the price of DOING BUSINESS.
Is that not still a valid business condition? Millennial?
I have subscriptions to all my CAD software. Part of each bid is designed to cover those costs.
And its a straight tax write off.
Per year
$350 / Sketchup
$800 / AutoCAD LT
$650 / Chief Architect
Business has costs......................this is so weird.
My southern friend would sum this up perfectly
DOLLARS CHASING DIMES.
Since builders used to build houses for $80 PSF, I think it should still be that price. Why should I pay anymore than that?
Stupid, right?
If it's for BUSINESS ("not hobby") then the BUSINESS covers the costs as the price of DOING BUSINESS.
Is that not still a valid business condition? Millennial?
I have subscriptions to all my CAD software. Part of each bid is designed to cover those costs.
And its a straight tax write off.
Per year
$350 / Sketchup
$800 / AutoCAD LT
$650 / Chief Architect
Business has costs......................this is so weird.
My southern friend would sum this up perfectly
DOLLARS CHASING DIMES.
Moore's law doesn't require, it states it. And Moore's law will eventually fail because we are getting to the limits of how small things can be made with our current tech.
I agree the leasing model sucks. On the other hand, it creates opportunities for scrappy developers to compete on several fronts: ownership vs renting, price, customer service, lifespan of updates eligibility, to name a few.
Interestingly, the reluctance of many to buy software could reasonably be said to account for the high price.
Interestingly, the reluctance of many to buy software could reasonably be said to account for the high price.
My "old" neighbor is exactly like this. He sees software the same as a hammer - a tool. He wants to buy it once and never pay for it again.
So in his world, programmers aren't really considered. He thinks it's all a scam......a polishing the hood kind-of-thing over actual engine upgrades.
This kind of thinking is subjective.
Strange that every 2 years he trades in his truck for a new one.
He's a great guy, but he chooses to spend his $$$$$ as he wants and he is OK with living in the comfort of the depreciation zone with vehicles (tangible).......in fact, he calls me to scan documents and other computer related tasks (fix his android phone) ........and I am the dumb dumb who always helps him out.
So in his world, programmers aren't really considered. He thinks it's all a scam......a polishing the hood kind-of-thing over actual engine upgrades.
This kind of thinking is subjective.
Strange that every 2 years he trades in his truck for a new one.
He's a great guy, but he chooses to spend his $$$$$ as he wants and he is OK with living in the comfort of the depreciation zone with vehicles (tangible).......in fact, he calls me to scan documents and other computer related tasks (fix his android phone) ........and I am the dumb dumb who always helps him out.
Once a particular build of software is developed, it can be sold to any number of customers and that wont change the initial cost of building it. It does however increase maintenance and customer service costs. Bugs will be found very quickly after launch and you have a lot of angry customers that want it fixed asap.
The decision to stop supporting - and usually validating licenses for - older versions running on older architecture could just be because the company stopped earning money on that product long ago, yet they still receive queries to fix it. So the costs never stop.
No different than a vehicle manufacturer saying they no longer sell upper radiator hoses for their 1965 model, and that they don’t factory train their techs to work on those cars because that would be a lot of investment to occasionally fix the six or seven remaining examples of that model year that still exist.
The decision to stop supporting - and usually validating licenses for - older versions running on older architecture could just be because the company stopped earning money on that product long ago, yet they still receive queries to fix it. So the costs never stop.
No different than a vehicle manufacturer saying they no longer sell upper radiator hoses for their 1965 model, and that they don’t factory train their techs to work on those cars because that would be a lot of investment to occasionally fix the six or seven remaining examples of that model year that still exist.
For some people is it a scam. The functions I have on my 2003 ACAD are more than I need for what I currently do. There are a few functions that have been streamlined and would produce a small benefit. But the fact that I use ACAD a dozen times a year for real projects and hundreds of times for small scale stuff means it's not worth it for me to have an upgraded version at many many thousands of dollars when my current version is fine.
Nothing against coders/programmers. But if I don't need there services it's just the way it is. Forcing me to swap to an updated program because you make it obsolete on purpose to force people to upgrade isn't very ethical in my book. Especially when you can make things backwards compatible without much effort.
Nothing against coders/programmers. But if I don't need there services it's just the way it is. Forcing me to swap to an updated program because you make it obsolete on purpose to force people to upgrade isn't very ethical in my book. Especially when you can make things backwards compatible without much effort.
Without much effort? And how do you know the obsolescence is intentional?
Some legacy programs that are still in production (like quickbooks) are built on millions of lines of code and they were not necessarily built with a twenty year horizon, much less an infinite horizon. It takes a lot of trained people to tame a big spaghetti mess of code when the underlying architecture is changing and every year there are new tax code changes that need to be incorporated into the software. And younger programmers are learning more hip and easier/higher level languages because that’s what is used in the huge and growing rapid development app industry. Only in cases where it’s cheaper to unscramble the mess to introduce new features will anybody bother. That’s why when Intuit came out with QBO it looked nothing like Quickbooks Desktop. They started from scratch and probably built that little toy inside two months.
In the case of Autodesk, there’s probably some corporate greed underpinning this. I have demo’d their bid board software and found it bereft of features and quite expensive.
Some legacy programs that are still in production (like quickbooks) are built on millions of lines of code and they were not necessarily built with a twenty year horizon, much less an infinite horizon. It takes a lot of trained people to tame a big spaghetti mess of code when the underlying architecture is changing and every year there are new tax code changes that need to be incorporated into the software. And younger programmers are learning more hip and easier/higher level languages because that’s what is used in the huge and growing rapid development app industry. Only in cases where it’s cheaper to unscramble the mess to introduce new features will anybody bother. That’s why when Intuit came out with QBO it looked nothing like Quickbooks Desktop. They started from scratch and probably built that little toy inside two months.
In the case of Autodesk, there’s probably some corporate greed underpinning this. I have demo’d their bid board software and found it bereft of features and quite expensive.
My goto cad package started life as Generic Cad, long before windows was available. When it got really good, autocad bought them out and killed the entire product line. The team that developed Generic cad got back together and produced Visual Cad. I've been using that and paying for the upgrades for years.
It's 2D cad, which works for about 90% of what I did. I also have an older version of Chief that did everything else I needed. Now I only need Visual cad for personal use and don't use Chief at all.
It's 2D cad, which works for about 90% of what I did. I also have an older version of Chief that did everything else I needed. Now I only need Visual cad for personal use and don't use Chief at all.
As a practical matter, much of what I do which would require drawings requires stamped plans. I can turn out a hand drawn plot and floor plan almost as fast as I can measure.
If you go into your computer there is a compatibility area which usually lets you select the last OS your program was compatible with. And then the mating can commence.
There have been 40 replies and none of them directly address your unique situation as you've explained it.
There are six potential options that can work for you, each have pros/cons, without big investments such as AutoCAD licensing updates.
It's a bit of an interactive conversation that requires more details from you. If you'd like to DM me, I'm happy to listen and do my best to explain each direction based on the nuance of your specific situation.
A few important points to start with; these help hone-in on the best route:
- Send the specs of your new systems
- Do you have the original PC's that you've replaced
- Do you have the original AutoCAD 2000 install media (physically or saved somewhere)
- What copycat software have you tested, that reduced your speed
- Do you use only for 2D work (eg- no 3D or Z-plane coordinates)
- If I walk you through configuration instructions on the PC, are you comfortable following and being patient to figure out the issues you run into along the way or do you prefer to have your tech person do this for you?
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