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How can you do crown for $189????????????????????????????

You might want to PM that answer!

I charge $250. to come out and work for 1 hour, + mat. Sometimes more.

Have you already advised them to remove all furniture, etc and prep things for that price?
 

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I like the simplicity, but the frame is a little annoying. It doesn't let me see enough of the page--I feel like I'm looking at it through a view finder. Also the font is a little hard to read at that size.

If you keep the frame, you might consider shrinking the header a little shorter.

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It's a great start. Here are a few items you can change that will make a difference.

1. I'll echo what others have said about the frame... I would get rid of it for too many reasons to list.

2. Your page title is currently - "Punchlist Carpentry - Architectural Trim Work and Finish Carpentry"

Change it to: Lebanon NJ Finish Carpenter | Architectural Trim And Finish Carpentry Specialists OR something that showcases your trade, and most importantly your geographic area(s) (no more than 3 in a title). This is important if local search engine traffic is what you seek.

3. Include your full physical address on the website if you want to score more points with Google Local. Right now your address is a graphic and search engines cannot see. If you operate from a home office, then get a PO box if you don't want to list that address. SE's want to see this info on your website.

4. Get rid of the hit counter... They were cool many years ago. Google Analytics is free and would be better.

Hope that helps!

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Nice. G recognizes it too.

How can you do crown for $189????????????????????????????

You might want to PM that answer!

I charge $250. to come out and work for 1 hour, + mat. Sometimes more.

Have you already advised them to remove all furniture, etc and prep things for that price?
Simple, I did it for one month, as it is coming down at the end of Nov. Crown costs me $40 to $85, with caulk and nails. I only advertised that locally, so there way 0 travel time. First job paid for the advertisment. The second job gave me gas money for a couple weeks. The third forth and fifth jobs just gave me some petty cash. The main focus was to break onto the scene and get my name out there... This month crown is up to $239. After that it goes to the normal price of $289.

Yes, when I go there to let them select the crown profile and check to make sure everything is good to go for a saturday morning, in and out job, I point out exactly what I want pulled away....but I am flexiable...I can work around a hutch no problem...but sofas and things like that have to go, and with the limited ceiling height I just used my Werner Work Platforms...way faster and easier then a ladder. Much lower profile too...


EDIT: I know my guy is working on it now, but I am not sure what all he has planned to get done tonight... I showed him what you guys said. Thanks
 

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Simple, I did it for one month, as it is coming down at the end of Nov. Crown costs me $40 to $85, with caulk and nails. I only advertised that locally, so there way 0 travel time. First job paid for the advertisment. The second job gave me gas money for a couple weeks. The third forth and fifth jobs just gave me some petty cash. The main focus was to break onto the scene and get my name out there... This month crown is up to $239. After that it goes to the normal price of $289.

Yes, when I go there to let them select the crown profile and check to make sure everything is good to go for a saturday morning, in and out job, I point out exactly what I want pulled away....but I am flexiable...I can work around a hutch no problem...but sofas and things like that have to go, and with the limited ceiling height I just used my Werner Work Platforms...way faster and easier then a ladder. Much lower profile too...


EDIT: I know my guy is working on it now, but I am not sure what all he has planned to get done tonight... I showed him what you guys said. Thanks

This reminds me of a thread a few months back, when TBF denounced the contractor 101 theory,(get in on a lowball Price)
So TBF whats you GC gonna say when he finds out your a lowball contractor:laughing:!
$189 a room for crown??? you got insurance? you got truck insurance? gas? Obviously no helper:no: for $189 including material thats under tree fiddy a ft, LOL i cant see that theres any craftsmanship behind this @ that price!

Sorry bro, i thought you were better than that! Disappionted:sad:
 

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This reminds me of a thread a few months back, when TBF denounced the contractor 101 theory,(get in on a lowball Price)
So TBF whats you GC gonna say when he finds out your a lowball contractor:laughing:!
$189 a room for crown??? you got insurance? you got truck insurance? gas? Obviously no helper:no: for $189 including material thats under tree fiddy a ft, LOL i cant see that theres any craftsmanship behind this @ that price!

Sorry bro, i thought you were better than that! Disappionted:sad:
I absolutly have insurance 1 million in General Lia. Works Comp. Truck Insurance. No Helper. and I can PM you all my information if you want it. :thumbsup:

I denounced saying you can do xyz for $A, knowing you were going in to hit them up with $B in extras from the start. That is bull, if you can see it, price it into the bid.

The Theory being if one was to dangle this low price infront of them, I will lock them in and beat out people with fair bids that included your "extras". There are no extras with this. It is a set price for paint grade MDF crown put up, filled and caulked. For crown jobs with 3 5/8" Pig Crown, materials cost me $38.45, including nails and caulk. The biggest losser for me was Profile 443. That stuff was $79 for four lengths....not much money left over after that but I got a customer...and it was my mistake to include it. Either way, two hours on a saturday morning for...call it, $89 is not bad. Take out taxes and I still walked out with $60.

EDIT: But the pig crown got me $150...$105 after tax....two hours on a sat. morning where I would otherwise be sitting there...it was worth it in its self....but the WOM was priceless.


As far as gas was concerned...the crown came from Huston Lumber in Oldwick, I live in Lebanon...the yard is 4 min from my house...the jobs ranged from 3-6.8 miles from my home...gas was not a concern. Picked up the crown when I was at the yard getting other things if I could....

Again, this was not ment as prime source of income, but rather to bust onto the local scene...

One crown jobs just turned into bookcases/mantel as well as a 2nd floor bathroom remod....seems to have done what I wanted.:w00t::clap:

EDIT: I put sunday morning, not saturday
 

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I hate to ask what the bathroom or book cases are gonna cost!:laughing:

Hey if your happy making $60 then all the power to you, i wouldnt step foot in someones house and nail anything for that!! and im not considered expensive!

Let me ask.? what if you hit a pipe or a wire.?or scratch the hardwood floor? so you think its worth the agrevation to for $60 when the HO sues your insurance for 5k or more:whistling

Come on bro thats like the guys advertising window replacement for $169 installed and all the old windows removed! LOW BALLERS PUSHING CR#P!
NO OFFENSE:no:
 

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Hey man, don't be upset if you can't do it for that price....I took a chance everything would work out so I could get some local customers...and it worked out....like I said, this was not ment as a means for primary income. It was not the $60 I was after. It was the built-ins and bath reno that I got...as well a few more WOM referances.

I rensent your comments, lumping me in with a bunch of hacks...
 

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Hey man, don't be upset if you can't do it for that price....I took a chance everything would work out so I could get some local customers...and it worked out....like I said, this was not ment as a means for primary income. It was not the $60 I was after. It was the built-ins and bath reno that I got...as well a few more WOM referances.

I rensent your comments, lumping me in with a bunch of hacks...
So you LOW BALLED to get in to get bookcases and a bath reno

is that gonna be a book case for $99.99?:laughing:
and a bath reno for 1999.99?

im not judgeing you as you did me a few mnths back theres nothing here to resent and i think you answered your self about Low balling!

im biddig work just like you and evryone else on here giving free estimates,Etc,trying to ride this bad time out!But now i see what im competing against, i try to be competitive just like the next guy(you) as i have the same insurance and credentials you have! so i know i cant walk in and open up shop for $60-80 bucks ,

So No Hard Feelings, and good luck with that side venture!
 

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...say what you will, I don't know why your getting you panties in a bunch...I put up some crown in my own backyard to stir up some local work and the guys commuting in from an hour away are getting all upset with it?

Does that mean any store that runs a sale on a certain item, knowing there is little profit, is any lesser of a store then one that doesn't? The object of the game is to get ppls attention....did I snag a customer of yours? I doubt it...none of the people I worked for even bothered to call around...all of them were looking to employ someone locally. So really you are not competing with me...your not a contender in the group of people I am targeting...
 

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...say what you will, I don't know why your getting you panties in a bunch...I put up some crown in my own backyard to stir up some local work and the guys commuting in from an hour away are getting all upset with it?

Does that mean any store that runs a sale on a certain item, knowing there is little profit, is any lesser of a store then one that doesn't? The object of the game is to get ppls attention....did I snag a customer of yours? I doubt it...none of the people I worked for even bothered to call around...all of them were looking to employ someone locally. So really you are not competing with me...your not a contender in the group of people I am targeting...
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It was it is man. 1 pc paint-grade crown molding is a fast and easy job to do. That price got me new customers. People are well aware of hacks out there, and don't want to pay good money for ****ty work. at $189, I provided an item that many people wanted and could also 'showcase' I am not some hack...and the low price kept peoples minds at easy...if it was ****ty, they were only out of $189, not $500.

It is a marketing tactic that I used...I lowballed small 1pc crown molding to attract attention, similar to black friday ads....and I am glad I did it.

Five Star - You are a very good carpenter, with a well established history, you share lots of valuable information on this site and I apperciate it much.
 

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TBF, im not upset at the tacktics, but you of all people should no that there is a cost to doing buisness, if you want to step in to someones house, do a $100 job for $10 thats your buisness! but in your area or surounding area it might work against you,

you will give yourself the " ohh call this guy hes cheap!" name and thats hard to shake, because when ever they tell there friends the first question is how much did it cost? and if you raise the price on the friend then there goes your word of mouth!

I am not your compitition or contender, im just trying to pass onto you what was passed onto me when i went on my own! I can not charge less than a certain price per hr!
but i get my price per hr for handyman work or punchlist, but when i need to break out a compressor, saw, nailguns, caulk,Etc. and try not to F UP someones house,that cant be charged or billed hourly its just not worth the risk !!
And when you charge for risk you reap reward! you wont be driving a ranger,and buying tools with no guards on craigslist!

I do appreciate your input too on other topics and like your posts, but i hope you realize that what your doin is hypocrtical to what your saying! NO OFFENSE :laughing::thumbsup:
 

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Nice. G recognizes it too.

How can you do crown for $189????????????????????????????

You might want to PM that answer!

I charge $250. to come out and work for 1 hour, + mat. Sometimes more.

Have you already advised them to remove all furniture, etc and prep things for that price?
gotta say, I was thinking the same thing. I know pricing is regional, but I could make a good living off the money he would be leaving on the table.:notworthy
 

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TBF, im not upset at the tacktics, but you of all people should no that there is a cost to doing buisness, if you want to step in to someones house, do a $100 job for $10 thats your buisness! but in your area or surounding area it might work against you,

you will give yourself the " ohh call this guy hes cheap!" name and thats hard to shake, because when ever they tell there friends the first question is how much did it cost? and if you raise the price on the friend then there goes your word of mouth!

I am not your compitition or contender, im just trying to pass onto you what was passed onto me when i went on my own! I can not charge less than a certain price per hr!
but i get my price per hr for handyman work or punchlist, but when i need to break out a compressor, saw, nailguns, caulk,Etc. and try not to F UP someones house,that cant be charged or billed hourly its just not worth the risk !!
And when you charge for risk you reap reward! you wont be driving a ranger,and buying tools with no guards on craigslist!

I do appreciate your input too on other topics and like your posts, but i hope you realize that what your doin is hypocrtical to what your saying! NO OFFENSE :laughing::thumbsup:

I do hear you, and I will say I got myself a little fired up b/c I felt very attacked, I do appreciate the info...and even though I got fired up this time, i usually open for criticism b/c it is how I learn...

....that saw had a guard when I brought it home...lol.. I know it is a :no:

You asked about the built in...

Here is the sketch..


I quoted it at $3899, Paint Grade Primed and installed....


This is the draft of the new Special Page...

http://www.punchlistcarpentry.com/new-Special.html
 
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