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What do you think of this sterling job. They glued a flange into the waste pipe with silicone caulking. No surface repair so there is not a single bolt holding the flange to the UNEVEN floor. The flange itself is not level. Toilet goes in tomorrow. I am not optimistic about the longevity of this job.
 

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Did they give you a quote to do it right and you decided not to go the "expensive" way and do it right (i.e. - floor repair in conjunction with flange replacement) but take a chance because there's tile involved? If you KNOW it's not right, why are still going ahead with the toilet install just to invite more problems?

Sometimes sucks having to put out money for proper repairs but suck even more to put out money for a band-aid fix only to have to re-address it later and do it right at a higher cost because now you have to also pay for replacement of materials, and added labor to remove and reinstall the toilet...

Time to re-evaluate now before the install of the toilet... best of luck... (y)
We had agreed to the more expensive floor repair prior to setting the flange. That was my first request at first contact. The guy said, sure, he "can do the job, no problem". He was to come and give an estimate and outline the scope of the work. Well, he didn't come but sent his 4th year apprentice. I left him to look at the job and estimate what was to be done & cost, minutes later I hear the angle grinder and the guy is starting the work with no estimate, no paper quote with an outline of what is going to happen. Very not impressed! The boss called seconds after his guy left haing put the toilet in. Does not understand why I am so very displeased. I told him, that is not what we discussed, it is not sound and your guy on thinking the silicone fix was not sound enough tried driving bolts at an angle into an unsound floor. The boss starts to tell me a proper fix was not possible. I COULD HAVE FIXED THE DANGED FLOOR! All that was required was to shield the pipes and leave expansion room, level the floor in the area the toilet will be sitting AND THEN proceed with the flange install. Apparently, they decided that was all to much trouble. IT WAS NEVER A QUESTION OF COST! I told him right off, I was more concerned about the quality of the repair than the cost. He said, "Well, I'm not cheap, but I'm not the most expensive." I said, I was OK with that. (Oh, and apparently they used 2 packs of shims to get the toilet sitting straight)

I don't do cheap when repairing and prepping plaster wall for my clients. If they don't want a job done right, I refuse the work. I want to hire other trades that work the same way, done right or not at all!
So far, since moving to this city, I have found a GREAT "structural and cladding" company that does framing and steel cladding. I have used them twice. roof, dormer & gable ends, (NOT CHEAP!) and will have a major garage job for them in the not to distant future. I was so pleased that both times, they got a $500 Tip. I found an excellent insulation company and no complaints there. The bane of my life seems to be plumbers. I just can not find a company I want for major work. I haven't even started on electric, yet.
 

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Just Jennifer - The Paint
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Looks to me like the whole floor needs to be ripped out.
The whole bathroom needs to be ripped out! I was noly looking for a repair, sound enough to hold untill I could afford a full bathroom reno. Also that won't happen until I find a plumber I trust.
 

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Sometimes sucks having to put out money for proper repairs but suck even more to put out money for a band-aid fix only to have to re-address it later and do it right at a higher cost because now you have to also pay for replacement of materials, and added labor to remove and reinstall the toilet...

Time to re-evaluate now before the install of the toilet... best of luck... (y)
NO KIDDING! That is why I wanted it done correctly. However, it is my to great, good fortune that a full scale bathroom reno is not to far into the future. At that time it will have all of the plumbing replaced, along with a replacement of the main stack, basement plumbing and drains replaced. Until then....
 

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From what I've seen here, my thinking is I can leave it until or unless problems appear :unsure:. Also, I think I should NOT caulk around the base so any water will possibly show up on the floor, though it seems more likely water leakage will just fall onto the lower ceiling?
 

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They did a quick and dirty repair
Like you said, they should have removed the flange, you fix the floor and they can install better coupling and flange

what they did should work short term but is is ugly. The whole bend needed to be replaced and if you are doing the whole bath soon they thought this will work until then
They had no idea I was planning a full reno! They were just shoddy. It was a good test run and I will not be hiring them for the major reno plumbing!
 

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Tell the boss you figure the job is worth $100. When he complains, tell him to show you a copy of the approved proposal.
Nope, I never argue about price. (Or haven't yet, so long as it seems reasonable for the time involved. As it happened I gave him $200.) I figure it's worth it to test a company. The truth is, it's his loss as any major work won't go to him.
 

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@KAP You asked "If you KNOW it's not right, why are still going ahead with the toilet install just to invite more problems?" Well, did I mention that I have a spouse that will be impossible if he has to go another week without that toilet! I let them finish and am holding my breath. A cranky husband is not a lot of fun, either, and he is not patient about work around the house at the best of times, but going without the upstairs toilet at night... I'm licking my wounds and giving it more time. At some point he is supposed to take a trip to Florida to visit his siblings. I can pull it back out at that time and fix the floor. Covid travel restrictions are not my friend here, either!!
 

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Discussion Starter · #40 · (Edited)
I'm a gonna go with you will take a half a day, fix that sumabich right by yourself and be done with it while he's gone...

You need to post more often...
2 days for sure! Depending how difficult it will be to remove all that silicone, then time for the anchor mortar to set and finally, put the toilet back. Hubby will have a conniption fit if he sees me taking it all apart again! There will be nothing I could say to him that would quiet him, don't want to go there. But YES! If he is out of the house for a couple of days, I can fix it pretty easy!
Yes, I should post here more. I tend to be more active on painttalk.com and diychatroom.com, the painters seem much more active over there. These are all sister sites, BTW.
 

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Curious, have any of you ever paid $60 for a flange of any kind? The "Plumbers" showed me a 4" twist and seal flange that they said was over $60, I laughed out loud and showed them the exact one at HD for $34.75 & plenty in stock locally. I told them they were rooked and aught to return it. They did not try to tell me what the cost of the flange they actually installed was. What I know is was it was $12.49 at RONA or Lowes. It seems either they were stupid or thought I was.
 

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Discussion Starter · #43 ·
Don’t do it on a weekend
Supply houses are closed, not all repair flanges fit inside all bends. It depends on how close the bend starts to the flange. Some have expansion couplings but they can split an old cast iron bend. I would leave the flange alone if it does not leak and just plate under the flange until you did the whole bath
I knew that, I purchased 3 and returned them for ill fits. I did get one that fit, in the end but it seems to have gone missing, now. I was going to keep it for the redo. I also returned the mortar because the "plumber" said they would bring their own materials. :ROFLMAO:
 
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