A feeder and a gunner and fly:thumbsup:

 

That's the way the hot shot pros do it around here.

That racking method may not be copacetic with the manufacturer...:whistling

 

The gunner's gotta be screamin, "shingles, shingles".

 

i was taught you don't rack architectural shingles. three tabs yes but archs no. i believe on some architectural shingle wrappers it says something about they don't recommend racking...just did a 55 square over the weekend. i don't know the real name for the actually method for laying them but i call it stair stepping. someone correct me if im wrong.

 

Stepping them is definitely the way we do them also...your going to create that zipper effect if you rack them...

 

Racking arch's will void your wind warranty.

We will start in a valley and go toward the rake, unless there is no valley. Then we start at the rake or hip and stair step. Same with 3 tabs, but haven't touched one in years.

 

One guy builds the book and two more run the feild. We run 7rows then check for square. Chalk a line if needed then run another 15-20 rows depending on how the shingles are laying down. We stop short 4 rows from the dormer ridge and check for alignment, make adjustments and proceed to the top.

The guy building books should be your lead man. The guy cutting the other end should be the second best and the guy laying "field only" should be your new guy.

Run from the valley to the rake. The valley shingle should be dead center valley. We chalk an 8" line on the opposite side of the valley. The high corner of the shingle touches this line. This puts your shingle close to center in almost every valley. If your using valley metal then chaulk a minimum 2" line away from the center divider and start laying shingles.

Sounds like your lead man needs a lead man!

 

Exactly how we do it...seems to work

 

On the roof I hope...

 

One by one works pretty well. So i have heard.

 

This post cracks me up........how many years you been doing a decent amount of roofs?

 

About 7 years.

Why does this crack you up?

 

Racking verse stepping again? NO PLEASE

 

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh noooooooooooooooooo

 

Not sure what its called so maybe someone has already said this method. We shingle with 4 guys, 2 feeders and 2 gunners. One group starts the stagger by cutting 6" or whatever it comes out to, we do it so every piece gets used. The second group starts a few min later and runs about half the roof over right to left. The feeder sets the shingles in to The stagger at about a 60-70 degree angle, the top right corner of the shingle goes under the course it will be lining up with and bottom right corner over the course that it will overlap and lays them like that all the way up the stagger so the gunner doesn't have to wait even a split second to be handed a shingle. Gunner puts his gun on the course below in hi his right hand then with the left you grab the left side of the shingle and pull it down until you feel it lined up correctly then nail it. We rarely chalk lines unless its getting two sections to line up above a dormer or something, take the extra time to get the paper straight then there is no wasted time snapping lines. That description may have been confusing, I can take some pics if anyone is interested in seeing how it looks. That also allows the feeder to get 15-20 rows ahead and freer them up to grab nails, caulk or whatever and allows the gunner to do nothing but nail as fasthe can.

 

Sorry for the horrible spelling and grammar, trying to type too fast on my phone.

 

What's all this talk about using a chalk line? We use one to put on the hips and that's about it for shingling.

 

No chalk lines

 

WOW, your soooo good! Some of us just can't see straight enough to run a clean line I guess. I'll have to work on my free hand.

Oh thats right. We haven't run mulitiple crews in multiple states at the same time. We are not currently strung across 2 states and all of our installers are created equal in their abilities in running straight courses.

Oh yeah, all of our new hires come skilled and have more roofing experience than me. They all come as skilled as you guys don't they! Lets not forget that every home is framed square. We haven't ever roofed a home that was 7" out of square from eve to ridge.

I must be roofing the wrong way to be scorned for going the exta mile and requiring chaulked lines every once in awhile.

I'm going to take the chaulk line's away from our crews and refuse to use them, forever.

Im positive our quality is going to be better than it already is. My motto of "The only thing I expect is perfection." will finally be attained.

Salvation has finally arrived...

 

I think we have a 20 year-old bottle of chalk around here somewhere...

 

gotto say it smooth side down,

 

Forgive my ignorance, but what is racking referring to?

 

Forgive my ignorance, but what is racking referring to?

Installing shingles Vertically

 

ahh finally sold 3 more metal roofs and some flat.. hopefully no more shingles for awhile! :clap:

 

I hate the way racking looks it shows so bad

 

WOW, your soooo good! Some of us just can't see straight enough to run a clean line I guess. I'll have to work on my free hand.

Oh thats right. We haven't run mulitiple crews in multiple states at the same time. We are not currently strung across 2 states and all of our installers are created equal in their abilities in running straight courses.

Oh yeah, all of our new hires come skilled and have more roofing experience than me. They all come as skilled as you guys don't they! Lets not forget that every home is framed square. We haven't ever roofed a home that was 7" out of square from eve to ridge.

I must be roofing the wrong way to be scorned for going the exta mile and requiring chaulked lines every once in awhile.

I'm going to take the chaulk line's away from our crews and refuse to use them, forever.

Im positive our quality is going to be better than it already is. My motto of "The only thing I expect is perfection." will finally be attained.

Salvation has finally arrived...

That's comical.

Who is running multiple crews across two states?

Personally, all of my guys have been trained from within and the foreman and I were both trained from the same guy. We also don't have guys just sit and "feed" shingles. I prefer the time being taken to install them properly rather than quickly and improperly especially since most of our roofs have the possibility of being inspected by the manufacturer.

You also said you chalk lines every 5th row and 20 courses. Why not run the felt straight? Seems like it would save time.

 

Forgot to mention, nothing wrong with using chalk lines.

 

We run crews on commercial projects in three states.

We run a minimum of 6' of ice guard along the eves or 2' beyond the interior wall. Whichever is greater. Paper, whats that! We run titanium udl and weave the valleys.

We are certified Malarkey for our shingle line. IB, Fibertite, and Carlisle for our commercial lines.

Look if you want to take the time to run perfect paper then I commend you on that! I don't... Wyoming has what you may call "variable wind". Meaning between 20mph and 60 mph in a matter of seconds. Getting the paper on is a chore in and of itself. Chaulking lines far easier than dealing with straight paper.

I honestly thought you were promoting total free hand. Honestly I could free hand most roofs if I installed them myself. I to belive that the roof is in the underlayment. I'm just not as picky on straight underlayment. UDL never lays perfectly flat anyway.

 

You weave arch shingles valleys????

 

LCG, what are you saying? You have incompetent installers, so you use tools and materials to make up for their short comings and lack of experience?
Doesn't that just slow down your best guys and slow the entire process?

 

No,

What I am saying is using an F'ing chaulk line is not a sin.

Bragging about not using one is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. 100% of the roofers I know who don't use chaulk lines have crooked runs.

Don't let what you do know get in the way of what you dont know.