[Mike Costello]

Have any of you guys worked with this product?

I am having an issue with the edges of the 16"x16" tiles not being held down tightly by the adhesive. It is a pressure sensitive adhesive not a wet set. I spread it with the required notch trowel and rolled obsessivley as I went.

It was spread over exsisting luan (I know yech). Origionally the salesguy wanted me to go over the 15 yo vinyl tile -so I ripped that out and skimmed the luan with Ardex Feather Finish. That dried via fan and a summer day in about 45 mins, then I spread the adhesive and let it tack clear for about an hour and had the field layed in approx an hour -with another 2 hours or so to do cuts.
The tiles are not coming up- in fact they are down well with only the edges(and not all of them) are loose enough for the tile to appear to be different thicknesses.
I put the job in on Fri and was back there today,Tues.
I used a hand roller and a little heat to roll the edges flat but there is an inner gremlin telling me that this may not be a permanent fix.

That and now that I am talking to other folks about this stuff I am hearing horror stories about it. One person told me after the claim process they were told by an independant inspector that the product is not a solid vinyl so it is unstable for expanding and contracting, meaning ,I guess, that the layers move differently?

Another thing I find odd about it is that you dont put a finish on it because it has an aluminum oxide finish already.My question would be -How the hell are the tile joints suppose to be sealed to avoid moisture getting down in there?

Its unfortunate because the job looks awsome and the tile surface seems to be pretty durable.

 

[Floorwizard]

It's a good product. More versatle than Durastone.
Metrofloor needs to be rolled with a 100lb roller more than once in it's lifetime. You will probably get some seperation that can be fixed with more adhesive, then another rolling.
Kinda high maintenance, but should stand the test of time.

the Luan isn't helping either. Blech!

 

[Mike Costello]

I did roll the bejeezus out of it. that comes from years of doing wet set tiles I guess.

Didnt have much of a choice on the luan , but the tech rep said its an approved subfloor with the ardex on it.

Problem is the tiles are not lifting enough to get adhesive under the edges,its lifting just enough to make them look different thicknesses.

 

[Floorwizard]

Recently I got a call from someone who had tile corners lifting just enough to show a height difference. She had Metroflor installed abought 9 months ago. We recently came from a Metroflor meeting where the rep reminded us, that additional rolling needs to happen in the floor's infancy.
So, I sent an installer and a bucket of glue out, and he was able to lift the edges and squirt glue into them, then re roll the floor.
Perhaps you need to wait a bit more, for more seperation of the glue?

I would check Metroflor website for details on approved substrates...just in case.

 

[Guest]

Solidity

We have installed six floors. Some over concrete and some over underlayment. All have failed. The display rack is now serving time in the dumpster.

 

[Floorwizard]

too bad. Maybe the floor isn't the problem.
I have yet to have a failure in years....Either have alot of other store's I have talked to. And the rep says he is not busy at all with claim calls.
Usually when a flooring has a major malfunction, there is more signs to point to the manufacturer as the cause.
I do not see that here.

 

[Don Benham]

We have installed six floors. Some over concrete and some over underlayment. All have failed. The display rack is now serving time in the dumpster.

I've heard that alot at different seminars. When the instructor asks a few questions about the circumstances, it always turns out specs were not followed.

Don

 

[Mike Costello]

Not sure if I mentioned it on this forum or not but as it turns out we got a bad batch of adhesive. METROFLOR COVERED MATERIALS AND LABOR!

The new floor has been down for a week now and all is well.Rip out was not a problem and I skimmed it with Ardex again and went to town. I cant stress enough the importance of rolling this stuff. The customer was able to verify to the independant inspector how much time I spent rolling it. I set the tile,roll the edges with a seam roller,roll small areas as I go with a hand roller ,then put a few miles on the 100 lb roller.Then I roll it again.

I will sing Metroflor praises forever more!

 

[Don Benham]

Bad glue, perfect reason to always follow specs. Then, if/when something goes wrong they can't pin it on you. Back in my younger days when I thought it was ok to be a hack, I ate job that had delamination problems. Why? Because I didn't seal the seams. Even though seam sealer wouldn't have prevented the problem, I ate because I didn't follow standards.

Glad it worked out for you Mike.

Don

 

[Baron]

I never had a glue issue or failure but did have a konecto shrinkage but that was me storing in a very warm apartment and installing in a cooler hallway. Nothing came unglued but three pieces shrunk lengthwise just enough to spoil perfection.

I have to get back there and peal them off, thank goodness they are at the end near the door where the draft was. Warmer weather project.

Used in commercially and residentially and found it is temperature and installer sensitive.............:blink:

 

[root69]

metro solidity=garbage

i did almost 400,000 ft of this stuff on a military base in early 07, and they are still having problems with it today,glad i got on down the road with my .60 ft,for 1 the tiles materials does not allow for any absorbtion what so ever of the glue, i didfind that when it was tacked out at about 80% i got a better bond for some reason, this was all on a slab, everything was done per specs being a govt job, u know how that goes,that part saved me on the warranty issues though, and who wants to be held accountable for a job that needs rolling periodically, u tell a customer oh yeah i will be back every 3 months to roll it again and he's gonna think ur stupid and trying to screw him, he ain't gonna pay more up front for that in fear that you will not show and if he thinks it doesn't need it when the time comes u ain't getting paid then either, my advice is when some says let's use the metro solidity, run just as fast as you can the other direction good luck

 

[GREG 247]

Metroflor solidity

I never had a glue issue or failure but did have a konecto shrinkage but that was me storing in a very warm apartment and installing in a cooler hallway. Nothing came unglued but three pieces shrunk lengthwise just enough to spoil perfection.

I have to get back there and peal them off, thank goodness they are at the end near the door where the draft was. Warmer weather project.

Used in commercially and residentially and found it is temperature and installer sensitive.............:blink:

I'VE GOT A CLIENT THAT I'VE TALKED OUT OF KONECTO FLOATING FLOOR
FOR THEIR KITCHEN. THEY WANTED TO RUN THE WHOLE FLOOR AND THEN INSTALL THE CABINETS. WITH ALL THAT I'VE READ, THAT WOULD DEFEAT THE "FLOATING FLOOR" CONCEPT AND JUST INVITE FLOOR FAILURE.(ALOT OF NEGATIVES ON KONECTO ANYWAY) SO, I SUGGESTED METROFLOR SOLIDITY PLANK WITH FULL ADHESIVE INSTALLATION AND TRIM TO FIT AROUND THE CABINETS. THEY STILL WANT TO RUN IT UNDER THE CABINETS. :whistling WHATAYA THINK ?
OR IS THERE A BETTER PRODUCT FOR VINYL PLANK WOOD LOOK WITH
ADHESIVE INSTALL ?

 

[Baron]

I would do the metro solid glue down. The floating floor when it gets pinched under the cabinets will have seem stress and failure over time where as the glue down is very stable and I think the better product.