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Lotsa backing. How much extra work, and how to most efficiently do it.

4.1K views 54 replies 24 participants last post by  3rd4thGEN  
#1 · (Edited)
A very picky architect has a detail she wants done without any hackery, and she will come around at rough framing time to ensure she gets what she wants.

It's for a simple but elegant barn/garage, 24 deep by 36 wide, 12 foot walls front and back, 12-pitch roof with gable ends rising to 24 feet. The exterior siding is vertical plank, 1x12 WRC STK nickel gap, all face nailed, and not one single sharp-tip end of any of the 2-1/2" nails is to be seen inside.

2x6 framing is specified for this unheated barn/garage, 24 inch spacing, and the 2x4 backing is between studs. Not continuous girts nailed on outside. The backing is in the wall. Sheathing is 1/2" Zip. Nails are going through the 3/4" siding, the cedar breather 1/4" rainshield gap, 1/2 inch of Zip, then into the 2x4 backing, penetrating it about an inch. Backing is on 16" centers going up.

Here is an overview of the frame.

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And a render of the inside.

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It sure makes for a lot of mouse perches, but it is what she wants.

Your job is to frame it. How will you most efficiently install all this backing, as cleanly as possible. How many man-days do you think it adds to the frame-up?
 
#38 ·
I have a feeling your going to have to hold up each one to the stud bay and mark it, toss to the chop saw guy.
Insert and screw with 2 or 3 - 3.5" trim screws on each end. Could clamp a jig below the insert to allow neat adhesive on each end and screw it up.

Oh yea, like said above this item 2x the wall itself in place cost for starters.
 
#42 ·
Here's a new thought I had after looking at the 3D renders taken inside. Finish nails and Locktite PL.

Those blocks are there as nail backing. All that may be needed is something to hold them in place until those ringshank SS nails go into them from outside, and then they ain't going nowhere. The backing might go quickly if an inch long bead of moisture-cure polyurethane construction adhesive were gunned into the angle of stud and zipwall sheathing right where the block goes, one glop each end, then insert the block and pin in place with a couple of angle-driven 18 gage 2" finish nails. Once the glue sets them blocks are rock solid and ready to be pierced and further fixed in place by the siding ringshanks.
 
#51 ·
I have my doubts that your story is real, but being told that an actual architect wants that built for themselves makes me prejudge them as someone I would view unfavorably as a person and steward of resources.

At first I thought maybe this was going to be a pretend barn, to skirt the tax assessor, but the interior blocking works against energy consciousness. I like to read about elegant yet functional structures, practical structures, cutting edge engineering, super-energy efficient structures, and novel building materials for sustainability. I just don't see a purpose for building such a thing if it won't be conditioned. What I'm trying to say is that this building makes me angry, which I guess, is something it does that's unique.
 
#52 ·
You know the slots routed into the back of some wooden certificate holders that catch the head of a screw inserted into a wall and hang on the wood plaque onto the screw on the wall?...

First, make a simple marking template that you hold against each side of a stud and draw a pencil or pen line of about three inches in width onto the zip wall. These lines close to each stud will be where you will insert each screw to a preset depth into the zip (using a depth gauge on your drill). There will be a screw left and right in a stud bay, and for how every many rows of blocking you need. Now, for the 2x4's, you'll use custom milled lumber that is very straight, and highly consistent in thickness and width. You'll set up a router jig and bit where you can safely plunge each end of a block into the router bit and cut that slot, kinda like a french cleat cut into each back end and centered top to bottom. The 2x4 blocks will all be batched cut just a little long and then batch routed. All the screws will be put in the wall as a batch job using two or three guys on a rolling scaffold so they don't have to climb. Blocks will be cut to final width and hang from each of the two screws. A chalk line on the exterior will mark your nail locations and you'll go to town on the permanent fastening.

edit: I meant to note that the screws chosen will probably need a sharp 90 on the back of the head where it meets the screw shaft (kind like the head on a Spax structural screw verses a drywall screw) so they all index exactly the same even if one screw is driven just slightly deeper than another.