Archy's and Engineers take a required two semesters in how to double talk and tell everyone we are not wrong....:whistling:laughing:
Load Transfer from Porch Columns
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One of my long time clients asked me to come take a look at a porch they want installed. They had a set of plans drawn up...my question is where is the load going from the columns? They appear to just be sitting on the deck surface? Doesn't this present a problem? I also noticed no uplift protection speced out.
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Yeah, his cross section suggests a round column with a cap that overhangs the beam. The elevations show nothing of the sort.His drawings suck and I don't like the details.
How well do you know the ho? How do they know this db?
If the posts are supposed to land on the beam, they sure don't look like it on the cross section. The rim is in the way.
Decking goes on last? Ask this clown how many he has built. We generally use temp supports, block between beam and bottom of decking, install decking and set posts on top.
For the majority of small residential projects, architects are a waste of the customers money. This porch could have been designed on a napkin on lunch break by any competent contractor.
Good luck tearing it down when I'm done with it :laughing:
My gf just asked why I'm being so mean all of a sudden haha. This thread will give one of the old guys a heart attack.
My gf just asked why I'm being so mean all of a sudden haha. This thread will give one of the old guys a heart attack.
How he said to do it isn't the way it is drawn. Id tell him his description in the email and his drawing are conflicting. Tell him to send over a detail. Don't know about your municipality, but none Here would accept that drawing.
The OP is a FAR better business man than me. It would take a week of editing to get my email response down from starting with "phuck you very much, pvssy. Take that toilet paper you call plans and shove it up your azz" :thumbup::laughing:Yeah, his cross section suggests a round column with a cap that overhangs the beam. The elevations show nothing of the sort.
If the posts are supposed to land on the beam, they sure don't look like it on the cross section. The rim is in the way.
Decking goes on last? Ask this clown how many he has built. We generally use temp supports, block between beam and bottom of decking, install decking and set posts on top.
For the majority of small residential projects, architects are a waste of the customers money. This porch could have been designed on a napkin on lunch break by any competent contractor.
The OP is a FAR better business man than me. It would take a week of editing to get my email response down from starting with "phuck you very much, pvssy. Take that toilet paper you call plans and shove it up your azz" :thumbup::laughing:
tell him he's welcome to tear it down as long as he pays you to rebuild it.
why is it for every 1 decent architect I meet, there are 200 a-holes?
why is it for every 1 decent architect I meet, there are 200 a-holes?
Exactly :thumbup:
Throw a Texas drawl in, ditch the suit and we have a match :laughing:I suggested getting plans drawn up because my client wasn't exactly sure what she wanted yet and we have a very crunched time frame to complete this. So my hope was sending them to someone who does just design and plan work would kick things along....plus with the heavy winter we had this year and the recent major storms, I wanted plans that could be used to fall back on if say a snow load took it down, or another major storm ripped it off...For the majority of small residential projects, architects are a waste of the customers money. This porch could have been designed on a napkin on lunch break by any competent contractor.
You are a pro. I wish your archy was.I suggested getting plans drawn up because my client wasn't exactly sure what she wanted yet and we have a very crunched time frame to complete this. So my hope was sending them to someone who does just design and plan work would kick things along....plus with the heavy winter we had this year and the recent major storms, I wanted plans that could be used to fall back on if say a snow load took it down, or another major storm ripped it off...
Douche 101 is an elective few archys skip, apparently. That dude majored in it.tell him he's welcome to tear it down as long as he pays you to rebuild it.
why is it for every 1 decent architect I meet, there are 200 a-holes?
so, is it safe to assume you won't be using this guy for drawing up plans for any future projects? :laughing:
Send the plans to Scipio and tell the HO to tell the archy fvck off if he hasnt been paid.
I can vouch for Scipio, I've built a lot of his drawings, with no issues :thumbsup:
If my pop gets too busy to draw my plans, hes first on my list, even if he is from California :thumbup::laughing:I can vouch for Scipio, I've built a lot of his drawings, with no issues :thumbsup:
A good set of plans will show how the structure is connected from the very top to the bottom and to the ground and will also address how the roof is going to tie into the house as well as dealing with uplift, shear and waterproofing. An architect who doesn't pay attention to the details is a fool and as a design professional is setting themselves up for a bunch of liability issues when the problems arise.
He should be grateful for you pointing out the problems and be going out of his way to address the issues you've raised instead of being a jerk. Where I work those plans wouldn't ever pass plan check and likely wouldn't even be taken in for plan check; to say they're inadequate is an understatement.
It does sound like the archy has some issues; oh well, nothing better than a good one and nothing worse than a bad one; same for engineers.................
He should be grateful for you pointing out the problems and be going out of his way to address the issues you've raised instead of being a jerk. Where I work those plans wouldn't ever pass plan check and likely wouldn't even be taken in for plan check; to say they're inadequate is an understatement.
It does sound like the archy has some issues; oh well, nothing better than a good one and nothing worse than a bad one; same for engineers.................
My next question is about the 2x6 rafters. They seem to be undersized to me.
NJ Bulletin No 94-8 provides the snow loads for here. They are calling for 30 psf.
http://www.state.nj.us/dca/divisions/codes/publications/pdf_bulletins/b_94_8.pdf
The AWC says a 2x6 Doug Fir, Select Struc, with a 10lb dead, 30 lb snow can span only 11' 4"
http://www.awc.org/calculators/span...bmit=Calculate+Maximum+Horizontal+Span#answer
I am seeing a horizonal span of 16 feet...give or take a few inches. That puts us at 2x10 rafters.
Now I don't even know if he should be trusted for anything. Are the footings even correct? This guy was hired to figure all this out. That would be his job would it not? (AIA Standard Form of Agreement between Owner and Architect 3.1) I will try and meet with my clients tomorrow and recommend we get someone else to take a look at these plans....I really think the building department is going to kick these back with a big WTF.
NJ Bulletin No 94-8 provides the snow loads for here. They are calling for 30 psf.
http://www.state.nj.us/dca/divisions/codes/publications/pdf_bulletins/b_94_8.pdf
The AWC says a 2x6 Doug Fir, Select Struc, with a 10lb dead, 30 lb snow can span only 11' 4"
http://www.awc.org/calculators/span...bmit=Calculate+Maximum+Horizontal+Span#answer
I am seeing a horizonal span of 16 feet...give or take a few inches. That puts us at 2x10 rafters.
Now I don't even know if he should be trusted for anything. Are the footings even correct? This guy was hired to figure all this out. That would be his job would it not? (AIA Standard Form of Agreement between Owner and Architect 3.1) I will try and meet with my clients tomorrow and recommend we get someone else to take a look at these plans....I really think the building department is going to kick these back with a big WTF.
Did she find this guy on craigslist. He sounds like a liability for you and the HO.
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