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One of my long time clients asked me to come take a look at a porch they want installed. They had a set of plans drawn up...my question is where is the load going from the columns? They appear to just be sitting on the deck surface? Doesn't this present a problem? I also noticed no uplift protection speced out.



 

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is wolmanized where the bottom 2-3' of a fingerjointed/built up post made of PT wood?

Maybe the architect overlooked adding the detail of how the post connects to the frame-something a building inspector may catch.
 

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You also appear to be missing a footing detail.

As well as any hardware spec'd out connecting the columns to the blocking, as Andy mentioned, or a direct tie to the 2x10 built up.
 

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Footings and Simpson brackets.
 

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Talking with the architect now....not a friendly dude at all.

Few questions after looking at your plans.

1) I would like to use Simpson ABA66 Post base in place of CB66.
Any Base plate will work
2) Column to Deck Detail
Where is the load of each column being distributed to? How are these posts being attached to the structure of the deck? How are they being attached to the porch roof (uplift protection)? They aren't just being placed on top of the decking are they? Further, are the columns you show something inline with a Permacast column or are they ment to be a 4x4 wrapped in 1x trim?

Decking is usually installed after the structure has been erected, therefore the columns are set on the specified 3 X 10 girder and the Double Joists at each end of the Porch. So, the decking must be cut around the columns.
The Columns can be any structural entity the owner agrees with...4X4. .6X6. Wrapped or prefinished column.
Uplift is not a concern because the entire structure weighs enough to keep it down without any hold down hardware. We live in an area of wind shear (side winds)..Not uplift as per Tornadoes.( it is being attached to the house structure)

Architects*design the structural members and what the structure should look like.
Architects do not provide the means and methods of how to build the structure.
That is the job of the Builder.


I will be adding uplift protection, most building departments have I worked with require it and with such a large surface area, I think it would be a good idea.

As far as the columns, the plan does not clearly show the columns being set on the girder, the center lines don't line up in the Section view and the girders are set back further in the Perspective views, so I was unclear as to if landing posts on the girder was the intention. Also if the columns are to set on the double box framing going back on the left and right side, this is not in symmetry with the front of the porch, in which the columns have to to set back to land on the girder and not the box. This changes the drip line in relation to the deck and this will leave no room for trim unless a bunch of blocking is nailed onto the outside of the box to support a large overhang of the decking.

Tom,
Apparently you do not know who Architects are.
If you change an Architects plans without the written authority from the Architect.
The Architect can have the structure torn down.


This is why I am conversing with you over the questions as I would like your input on your design. I am seeing what to me are going to be problems and I need you to address them.

So, that being said could you please elaborate on your column details as I don't see it working as is unless I am missing something.

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Set the columns on the girder.
The columns can rest anywhere on the girder..Has nothing to do with the footings.
The footing spacing is just for convenience .Just like a house..evenly spaced..The girder is the beam ..
same as a footing..can take a post anywhere between the footing columns


I think we are miss communicating here. I don't have that in question. I am more then happy to land ontop the girder, I am just unclear on how you want the left and right sides to land. Just drop them on the double box and add blocking as needed to support the decking? Or would you rather put a double joist further in to land these columns on?

Maybe I will make a quick drawing to make sure I am clear.
 

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Talking with the architect now....not a friendly dude at all.

Few questions after looking at your plans.

1) I would like to use Simpson ABA66 Post base in place of CB66.
Any Base plate will work
2) Column to Deck Detail
Where is the load of each column being distributed to? How are these posts being attached to the structure of the deck? How are they being attached to the porch roof (uplift protection)? They aren't just being placed on top of the decking are they? Further, are the columns you show something inline with a Permacast column or are they ment to be a 4x4 wrapped in 1x trim?

Decking is usually installed after the structure has been erected, therefore the columns are set on the specified 3 X 10 girder and the Double Joists at each end of the Porch. So, the decking must be cut around the columns.
The Columns can be any structural entity the owner agrees with...4X4. .6X6. Wrapped or prefinished column.
Uplift is not a concern because the entire structure weighs enough to keep it down without any hold down hardware. We live in an area of wind shear (side winds)..Not uplift as per Tornadoes.( it is being attached to the house structure)

Architects*design the structural members and what the structure should look like.
Architects do not provide the means and methods of how to build the structure.
That is the job of the Builder.
I am sick and tired of hearing this line of BS from archy's and engineers. It's a fvcking structural detail HOW DO YOU WANT IT BUILT???????

Arrogant pricks who can't pour piss out of a boot with the directions printed on the heel....:thumbup::laughing:
 

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Ouch. I disagree with the whole uplift, roof weighs enough scam....

And I would add H1Z's or H2.5A's, and a post to beam cap no matter what.

So it can be a 4x4 or a 6x6, its up to the HO?....So the HO performs the structural analysis, the architect (kinda) designs what the structure should look like, and you have to make it right.

I just went through this on the commercial building we are converting. I ended up recommending most of the design, hardware and construction methods and the architect build the HO for all of it. I ended up adding some more because I felt like he was very blase about the whole thing.
 

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I am sick and tired of hearing this line of BS from archy's and engineers. It's a fvcking structural detail HOW DO YOU WANT IT BUILT???????

Arrogant pricks who can't pour piss out of a boot with the directions printed on the heel....:thumbup::laughing:
That douche can drink the piss :thumbup:
 

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I want to call him out on being lazy because I have worked with wonderful architects before who called out every detail and were a joy to work with and question....but I don't want to start a fight at midnight over e-mail LOL.

Honestly though, maybe I am spoiled? Am I missing something here?
 

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I want to call him out on being lazy because I have worked with wonderful architects before who called out every detail and were a joy to work with and question....but I don't want to start a fight at midnight over e-mail LOL.

Honestly though, maybe I am spoiled? Am I missing something here?
No, I do not believe you are missing a dam thing.
You are dealing with an arrogant/incompetent archy.

Write an RFI asking how to tie the column to the girder and to provide a footing detail....

He's getting paid. make him earn his money...:thumbsup:
 

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I love working with the two archys that have found me that are good.

The rest are a cross between a realtor and an interior decorator.
 

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I know the HO well. The archi is someone that was found for their last minute porch addition they want. What burns the most is I sent them to this guy after a talking to a bunch of architects and a lengths photo convo with this one specifically. He talked the talk. So now I feel I must help out and get this sorted. ( i honestly think he might be bi-polar...the last few phono convos have each been different.) I really like him at times and others I am left thinking WTF just happened.
 

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Oooooohhhhhhhhhh, you just got me riled up with that chit. That SOB takes douchness to a WHOLE other level.
 
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