Teetor in WA piece is big. On big condo projects and some tract and hacks do it too. The prices are either whole houses or broken down. One crew does just floors, stairs, wall, and roof. I used to do joist and stairs. And the mexican crews do walls and roof. Then there is the pick up crew mostly hourly. This is true cali pro style in action.Teetorbilt said:You're talking subs?
Employees want just that, to be employed. Show up at 7 and leave at 4, no more, no less without incentive. Benefits will usually drive these guys. I posted some of my techniques and if you pore over some of the old posts you may discover them.
This may help and it doesn't cost much. I no longer have employees, I have an extended family.
What exactly does that mean? Does it mean:pjf52 said:i am having a hard time paying by the hour.
As long as you pay the taxes fica,fw,unemloyment,worker comp. It is legal and record hours worked. And if you employee have one iota of the real price most will not do it. That is why mexican crew do alot of piece. I was a lucky one in the game they didn't want to do joist and nobody in there right mind would let them do stairs.Teetorbilt said:Rich, I'm still muddling through the 'piece' concept. The way that I'm reading it is that you can build a house by piece without contractors. I have to be missing something but I read it thrice.
I agree entirely, and compensation packages usually reflect company priorities.Teetorbilt said:Employees want just that, to be employed. Show up at 7 and leave at 4, no more, no less without incentive. Benefits will usually drive these guys.
And that is what most of the guys who do it are slime balls. If you really do the math if your crews have a bad day or week (we all have one) they get screwed bad. If a guy want solid work from me it's 20 dollar a hour or better .I know so many sub's that put down you made 50 dollars a hour and worked 30 hours in two weeks. BS more like 90 hrs. Illegal I have reported a couple guys to LnI but they don't give a [email protected] That is screwing with my unemployment. If I need it. I wonce worked like that for a couple months got laid off and recieved like 300 dollars a week when I should of got maxed out. Well I had to find work in the middle of december. OUCH Glad I burn bridges only with the hacks. I've been known to go out in a blaze of glory. heheTeetorbilt said:If I pay all of that they are considered employees in this state. I suppose that I could pay by the piece as long as the hourly wage met the minimum wage. Way too complicated in the record keeping plus it sounds like somebody skating on the slime pool, not my style.
That's too funny - I did that for a summer when I stayed at my cousins in Hillsboro, Oregon. Wasn't all that glamorous - but I made moneyDecksEtc said:Want to talk about piece work...
When I was 12-13, we used to go to a local farm/labour camp and pick strawberries. A bus would go through town and pick us up. We'd pick strawberries all day in the hot sun and the pay was $1 for every flat of strawberries (each flat had 8 quarts in it) we picked. They'd stamp a card everytime we brought a full flat back to flatbed truck that was parked at the farthest end of the field, or so it seemed. At the end of the day the old, ugly farmer's wife would drive up in her beat up car with a huge wad of $1 bills and pay you according to the number of stamps you had on your card. A good day was $20.
Of course, I couldn't complain when I got home because if I did I would have to hear the stoies from my Dad and Mom about how when they were kids they used to "only get paid 25 cents per bushel of tomatoes".
Ah, the good ole days...