Pop up outlets will double or triple in price.
Kitchen Island Code Changes 2023
They used to require islands to have duplex receptacles to prevent people from running cords across aisles: No more.
Now it's pop-ups on the top with nothing below on the cabinets, receptacles in backsplashes, or none at all, just set a box for a future installation. Go figure.
Now it's pop-ups on the top with nothing below on the cabinets, receptacles in backsplashes, or none at all, just set a box for a future installation. Go figure.
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It’s a much talked about topic among electricians.
We just started on 2020 here in Cali, so I’m not dealing with that for a few more years, but most of us feel the NEC is overstepping its bounds, and crossing into becoming a design manual, which it is not supposed to be.
What’s going to happen is, the electrician will install the box in the cab, and after final, someone will come along and put the receps into the side, like everyone wants.
We just started on 2020 here in Cali, so I’m not dealing with that for a few more years, but most of us feel the NEC is overstepping its bounds, and crossing into becoming a design manual, which it is not supposed to be.
What’s going to happen is, the electrician will install the box in the cab, and after final, someone will come along and put the receps into the side, like everyone wants.
What I hope is my state makes it optional to do either for a while. There is only 1 or 2 actually listed for kitchen pop up outlets the others are almost but not quite listed correctly for "kitchen counters" and so there's a lot of code nazis having issues with that. Honestly it doesn't matter at this point but I wish there wasn't all the issues that have come up for the last couple code cycles about it. I am very glad that now it says "provision for outlet" for the people who want waterfall counters without needing a stupid outlet in the side.
More to the point, it's become a conduit for requiring products some people want to sell....but most of us feel the NEC is overstepping its bounds, and crossing into becoming a design manual, which it is not supposed to be...
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AFCIs. 👍
That was a bull$))t addition in my opinion. Technology just wasn’t there. Probably still isn’t.
AFCIs. 👍
That was a bull$))t addition in my opinion. Technology just wasn’t there. Probably still isn’t.
I’ve heard the latest gen AFCIs are quite a bit better.
I’ve done mostly commercial and accessory buildings the last couple years, so I haven’t used the latest.
Are the Eaton AFCIs better?
I’ve done mostly commercial and accessory buildings the last couple years, so I haven’t used the latest.
Are the Eaton AFCIs better?
I don't.Oh I bet you do. lol
You still get a lot of nuisance trip calls?I don't have the test equipment to be able to tell.
Eaton is the most trouble free at the moment. Siemens PON and GE are the most difficult for call backs but Eaton is the hardest to get at the moment and Siemens is the easiest. Siemens with pigtail I haven't had much issue other than the occasional microwave.I’ve heard the latest gen AFCIs are quite a bit better.
I’ve done mostly commercial and accessory buildings the last couple years, so I haven’t used the latest.
Are the Eaton AFCIs better?
Fortunately, In my area, it’s all Eaton.
I could go an hour and a half and get some square D stuff at HD, but not a huge selection in stock.
I could go an hour and a half and get some square D stuff at HD, but not a huge selection in stock.
That is helpful for remodels but siemens has tandem afcis now so I like seeing them or Murray in existing for the moment and I can get a eaton classified if I'm having issues with the siemens.Fortunately, In my area, it’s all Eaton.
I could go an hour and a half and get some square D stuff at HD, but not a huge selection in stock.
Homeline don't bother its not worth the drive and QO I don't care for in residential since they've taken such a beating for quality control.
Not really. New resi construction isn't a hot market in my neck of the woods.You still get a lot of nuisance trip calls?
I've only done maybe a dozen AFCI installs in the last year or so, but I've had no callbacks on any of them. Much better than the early GFCI days.
Ironically, several of those I've done on new construction projects, our saws kept nuisance-tripping them, so we just used standard breakers until inspection time.
Ironically, several of those I've done on new construction projects, our saws kept nuisance-tripping them, so we just used standard breakers until inspection time.
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