"It wont start boss"

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digdeep516

Discussion Starter · Sep 5, 2009

Well now im officially ticked off. One of the new guys put non mix gassoline... straight gass into a 2 stroke gas cut off saw... partner saw. Im talking with my electrician while this guy is killin him self to start this thing... he goes to the truck... fills it up... gets it started... runs it for 5 minutes than it cuts off... He starts yankin on it for like 10 minutes... and finally i gotta say something cause... even though they can be a

to start... this is over kill. So i check the air filter, its clean... than he says "i dont know boss it just wont start"... so i open the fuel tank and bingo the freakin gas is clear. Took it to the repair shop... they want 600 dollars to fix it... a new one is like 12 or 13... So now im stuck... well more

ticked off than anything. The saw is only 2 years old and the guy said when they put the guts in it... its almost brand new. So in order to remedy this so it dosent happen again... went to homedepot, bought a 2.5 gallon can... and a case of one shot bottles of 50:1 oil... this way its idiot proof... well atleast i hope. So what do you guys think i should do... do i eat the repair bill or split it with the guy... im undecided, thanks anyway for listening to me rant...:furious:

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avenge

· #2 · Sep 5, 2009

I don't know I guess it depends on how you feel about keeping the new guy. Was it an honest mistake or does he not know better? If you think he's a good worker and you can recoup your losses through his work, just eat the cost.

I don't trust anyone who says they know what they're doing until I actually see it.

Oh and mark the gas cans.

maninthesea

· #3 · Sep 5, 2009

I was installing a compressor in Palau right when 4 strokes first came out and the shop owner was telling me about how his crew had just screwed up a couple of engines by filling the tanks with the wrong gas and they needed the boat in the water so they were pulling an all nighter rebuilding the engine.
Next day I was still working on the install when the boss really went off. The mechanics had put the rebuilt engines back on the boat and tested them without changeing gas in the tanks! They had to do it again

Regarding your situation I would make a judgement call based on how the new guy reacted when he found out what he had done. If he had the everybody makes mistakes attitude then that mistake should cost him. If he was tripping all over himself appoligizing it may not cost him but he definatly would be informed that this was striks one and two and he's on thin ice.

bwalley

· #4 · Sep 5, 2009

digdeep516 said:
Well now im officially ticked off. One of the new guys put non mix gassoline... straight gass into a 2 stroke gas cut off saw... partner saw. Im talking with my electrician while this guy is killin him self to start this thing... he goes to the truck... fills it up... gets it started... runs it for 5 minutes than it cuts off... He starts yankin on it for like 10 minutes... and finally i gotta say something cause... even though they can be a to start... this is over kill. So i check the air filter, its clean... than he says "i dont know boss it just wont start"... so i open the fuel tank and bingo the freakin gas is clear. Took it to the repair shop... they want 600 dollars to fix it... a new one is like 12 or 13... So now im stuck... well more ticked off than anything. The saw is only 2 years old and the guy said when they put the guts in it... its almost brand new. So in order to remedy this so it dosent happen again... went to homedepot, bought a 2.5 gallon can... and a case of one shot bottles of 50:1 oil... this way its idiot proof... well atleast i hope. So what do you guys think i should do... do i eat the repair bill or split it with the guy... im undecided, thanks anyway for listening to me rant...:furious:

I have one can that has mixed fuel in it and I don't let the goobers put gas in the cut quicks and I try to not even have unixed gas on the jobsite.

Did you properly train your guy on what gas to use in the saw.

NNY

· #5 · Sep 5, 2009

I am not sure that you can legally make him pay for it and even if that is possible , if he is a decent worker you may not want to . I would hold off on any raises and give a word of caution . I would chalk it up to " what we have here is a lack of communication boss " . I agree with keep the straight stuff off the truck .

Inner10

· #6 · Sep 5, 2009

Here you cannot legally punish an employee like that.

CScalf

· #7 · Sep 5, 2009

a quote from supertroopers....

"In my day you'd take a guy out back and beat him with a rubber hose, but now you got your god damn unions!"

do it anyway...:whistling

cbfx3

· #8 · Sep 5, 2009

There is no such thing as idiot proof... A true idiot will find a way around whatever precautions you take.

I knew a guy that filled the hydraulic oil reservoir up with diesel fuel on a lull type forklift. He thought it was the fuel tank. I think he did it more than once actually.

The Coastal Craftsman

· #9 · Sep 5, 2009

Same thing just happen in our family business. New guy put regular into the diesel van. $6000 worth off damage. The guy lost his job.

But about the cut of saw. I do a lot of 2 stroke engine repairs to my 1/5th scale rc cars and there's no way that it has cost $600 worth off damage. Some of the engines i have lean seized even at 26k rpm have been reparable with just a new piston ring and a sand down inside the head. Ok they wernt 100% perfect like before but they still run fine. Just take it apart and look for youe self how bad the scouring of damage is. Your running a lot lot less rpm than i do in mine and that helps a lot.

bwalley

· #10 · Sep 5, 2009

BCConstruction said:
Same thing just happen in our family business. New guy put regular into the diesel van. $6000 worth off damage. The guy lost his job.

But about the cut of saw. I do a lot of 2 stroke engine repairs to my 1/5th scale rc cars and there's no way that it has cost $600 worth off damage. Some of the engines i have lean seized even at 26k rpm have been reparable with just a new piston ring and a sand down inside the head. Ok they wernt 100% perfect like before but they still run fine. Just take it apart and look for youe self how bad the scouring of damage is. Your running a lot lot less rpm than i do in mine and that helps a lot.

RC Cars are not two strokes like in a cutquick saw.

When you smoke a Stihl cut off saw, you need a new jug, piston, and head, possibly a new Rod and rod bearings, if not a new crank, add the labor and it can easily hit $600.

Maybe you should stick to solar and taking pictures of other peoples boats.

The Coastal Craftsman

· #11 · Sep 5, 2009 (Edited)

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Yeah my 2 strokes are nothing like 2 strokes :blink:

If he had a intake side seizure which is the most common when theres no pre mix oil been added Sometimes you can just remove piston ring and replace and clean up around the intake port. The plateing on these engines is hard. Very hard and it takes a lot to take one out. Most of the engines they use in these things are a Zenoah heads and they are known for being a quality head. I have heads that have been hand ported on the exhaust, intake, and transfers that have lean seized at crazy high rpm and i even have one right next to me now and they still run after a clean up. Yeah it would have best to put a new head on but it's not needed at times. I have never had to replace a crank or rod on one engine so again its very uncommon for that to happen. That does happen though but its normally the clearance between the rod and the thrust washers of the big end is to much and causes radial deflection. Very rare it even happens with a 4 corner seizure also.

Just in case you need proff of it being a 2 stroke baby bwalley. Seems again you know nothing about engines as well as plumbing.

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Mrmac204

· #12 · Sep 5, 2009

digdeep516 said:
Well now im officially ticked off. One of the new guys put non mix gassoline... straight gass into a 2 stroke gas cut off saw... partner saw. Im talking with my electrician while this guy is killin him self to start this thing... he goes to the truck... fills it up... gets it started... runs it for 5 minutes than it cuts off... He starts yankin on it for like 10 minutes... and finally i gotta say something cause... even though they can be a to start... this is over kill. So i check the air filter, its clean... than he says "i dont know boss it just wont start"... so i open the fuel tank and bingo the freakin gas is clear. Took it to the repair shop... they want 600 dollars to fix it... a new one is like 12 or 13... So now im stuck... well more ticked off than anything. The saw is only 2 years old and the guy said when they put the guts in it... its almost brand new. So in order to remedy this so it dosent happen again... went to homedepot, bought a 2.5 gallon can... and a case of one shot bottles of 50:1 oil... this way its idiot proof... well atleast i hope. So what do you guys think i should do... do i eat the repair bill or split it with the guy... im undecided, thanks anyway for listening to me rant...:furious:

anytime you make something idiot proof, the world makes a better idiot

this seems like a common theme! everyone knows of some instance where the wrong fuel is put in.
On the set of dark angel some years back - ya same thing- diesel in the hydrolic tank- man the yelling and screaming, camera's were ready to go LOL directors can sure throw a hissy fit!
hated workin that show, foreman was always stoned.

joshua1

· #13 · Sep 5, 2009

Bought a new 08 Iveco twinwheel panel van - 30K - gave it to crew, off they went. Twenty minutes later got a call "Boss, van stop working."
WTF I said, its brand new, what did u do. "Nothing, just filled it up, drove for 2 miles and it stoppes"
What did u fill it with?
Diesel.
U sure?
Yes boss
Who filled it?
The new guy.
Go smell the tank, make sure he put diesel in.
2 minutes pass, and he gets back on the phone-"oh, maybe petrol"

Fuppin Baxters.:furious:

PrecisionFloors

· #14 · Sep 5, 2009

digdeep516 said:
Well now im officially ticked off. One of the new guys put non mix gassoline... straight gass into a 2 stroke gas cut off saw... partner saw. Im talking with my electrician while this guy is killin him self to start this thing... he goes to the truck... fills it up... gets it started... runs it for 5 minutes than it cuts off... He starts yankin on it for like 10 minutes... and finally i gotta say something cause... even though they can be a to start... this is over kill. So i check the air filter, its clean... than he says "i dont know boss it just wont start"... so i open the fuel tank and bingo the freakin gas is clear. Took it to the repair shop... they want 600 dollars to fix it... a new one is like 12 or 13... So now im stuck... well more ticked off than anything. The saw is only 2 years old and the guy said when they put the guts in it... its almost brand new. So in order to remedy this so it dosent happen again... went to homedepot, bought a 2.5 gallon can... and a case of one shot bottles of 50:1 oil... this way its idiot proof... well atleast i hope. So what do you guys think i should do... do i eat the repair bill or split it with the guy... im undecided, thanks anyway for listening to me rant...:furious:

I understand your frustration. That being said....are you nuts? Do you "split" the profits when things go good?

Didn't think so. Welcome to the world of being the boss. You're responsible 100%, good times, and bad. You don't get to choose.

Train your new employees better. This is a cheap lesson, it would have been much worse had he injured himself or someone else, or someone else's property.

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dougchips

· #15 · Sep 5, 2009

When I was in my teens I worked on a farm where 3 of our tractors took diesel and one took gas. We had two large (2000 gallons?) fuel tanks and I had to fuel the diesel tractors from the one on the right. One day I was running out of fuel on the gas tractor and filled it from the tank on the left.......the one on the right had diesel so the one on the left must be gas? I made it about 150 yards until the tractor died and I quickly learned from my boss that the tank on left belonged to anther farmer and it also contained diesel!

Needless to say the farmer was pissed and I ended up taking a couple weeks off.......I think at his request.

rjconstructs

· #16 · Sep 5, 2009

i'd have to eat that one. I would make sure there was no 'next' time. Marking all the containers would be high priority. Another lesson learned.
rj

bwalley

· #17 · Sep 5, 2009

bcc,

RC Nitro engines are not the same engines as are used in 2 stroke cutquicks, if you don't believe me try and run nitro fuel in a cutquick and see what happens or try running 32:1 in a nitro engine and see what happens.

Are all people from across the water as stupid as you are?

The Coastal Craftsman

· #18 · Sep 5, 2009 (Edited)

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bwalley said:
bcc,

RC Nitro engines are not the same engines as are used in 2 stroke cutquicks, if you don't believe me try and run nitro fuel in a cutquick and see what happens or try running 32:1 in a nitro engine and see what happens.

Are all people from across the water as stupid as you are?

Lol bwalley are you really that stupid? For one who said anything about nitro engines! Nitro engines use a Glow plug for ignition, Nitro engines dont have a coil or spark plug like in my pictures i posted to prove to you that my RC car is a 2 stroke like the 2 stroke in these cut off saws. Not as big a cc i know but none the less they are the same. They range from 50cc-100cc in cut off saws and put out around 6hp. My highly tuned 27.2 has more hp than these big saws and can run at extremly high rpms as i have already said. But when lean seized some can be saved for hardly zero cost. Maybe it cant but it's worth a try. So what if you only have 98% compresson! its a saw and not a race car. Also on engines like this the bore is slack so that they can be abused a lot more and that also means they dont normally lock up so bad they can be repaired.

You really are making your self look like such a fool.

Just so you are aware a nitro engine looks like below

This is a 2 stroke engine

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The Coastal Craftsman

· #19 · Sep 6, 2009 (Edited)

bwalley said:
Are all people from across the water as stupid as you are?

Dam i just see you on TV Bwalley with a few off your other fellow bum buddies from this site.

Most Americans i know are pretty level headed people and ain't stupid but some of you on here give the rest a bad name.

tgeb

· #20 · Sep 6, 2009

For the benefit of the OP, I would have to agree with BC on the rebuildability of the engine.

As originally posted the engine ran for 5 minutes and the ass involved attempted restart for ten minutes which might indicate that the ass was able to crank the engine. Which would lead me to believe that the engine is not seized and can be repaired with a kit that contains the "jug" or cylinder, new piston, rings and related gaskets and hardware.

I found just such a kit via Google for just over $200. That and a couple hours of wrench fun should have it running again.

You guys can go back to your dispute now. Funny video..... Australia better watch out. :laughing:

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