Most of my jobs are quite small compared to what I gave seen on here, I am currently bidding on a 20,000 brick job. I DONT NEED PRICING FOR THE BRICK I WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR, what I do need help with is although I do have scaffold of my own I don't have enough for the job so I am renting it all instead of mixing my gear with the rental gear. The GC wants a price per 1000 brick so how do I incorporate the rental price (scaffold $1900 per month, forklift $2800 per month) into the price?Thanks for any info that ya'll can share. Tony.
Including rental equipment into pricing?
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i don't understand. Why wouldn't you simply take those prices and divide them into the price per 1000?S.U.M said:
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If he is ask8ng for a price per 1000 instead of for the total job I would make sure your contract specifies the total amount and includes a penalty if he orders below a certain minimum. You want to be making a profit at 2000 bricks or 20000 bricks. Your rental rates are going to go up if you only rent a week instead of a month. Also, rented equipment always includes state sales tax in my state, so be sure to include that if you need to.
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Good point.
Yup, you just need to know how long the project is going to take and divide by the total # of bricks. And as someone else mentioned it's WAY cheaper to rent by the month rather than the day or week As an example I once rented a Genie lift for what was supposed to be 1 month, $4000 or something, when i got the bill it was for $4800, I called and asked about it and it and they picked it up 2 days after I called them (midday of the last day of the 30 day period), they tried to charge me for those 2 days, even though I had given them 4 hours notice which was what was required. Quite the difference.
Another thing to consider is when you charge "per thousand" who's counting? Some GC's consider a head to be 1/2 a brick, some bricklayers want to charge for every brick delivered, whatever method you use make sure it's spelled out. I use every brick or part of a brick installed personally, then I count courses and multiply. On large jobs it can be a pan but I feel it's fair
Another thing to consider is when you charge "per thousand" who's counting? Some GC's consider a head to be 1/2 a brick, some bricklayers want to charge for every brick delivered, whatever method you use make sure it's spelled out. I use every brick or part of a brick installed personally, then I count courses and multiply. On large jobs it can be a pan but I feel it's fair
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SUM, Don't forget the Fuel and oil costs. And the stop charges for delivery & pickup, sometimes I just drive the lift back if its only a few miles, Foam filled tires aren't very road friendly. And of course wash the lift clean and fill the tank to aviod back charges.
I found I could insure rentals cheaper than the Rental company at ~4 months rent of ANY mobile equipment, mini-hoe,skidder,& lift, but just one machine at a time.
On commercial jobs tire damage can add up in a hurry, calcium filled tires really limit your choices of service providers here, and really slow service possible during farming season.
A. Could you do the Job with out the lift and or the rented scaffold? I. e. the renting the equipent ought to LOWER the per brick $ for YOU.... At 22 working days a month( days only with out rain, snow, wind and or to hot) max, you're north of ~15 dollars and hour and you are "losing" the person who is camping out on the lift, For small crews the machine can become an early retirement option while drawing pay... Just as stupid is not using it when it'd pay because of fuel costs... You might want to consider actually doubling down and hiring(Assign an apprentice mason? retired/partially disabled laborer/operator part time) a person to operate the machine on days you're building/moving scaffold to keep laying...
As an employee unfortunately, a majority of work places, the more power equipement has lead to less tending behind the hop as the "operator(s)" does his bus route on his ten ton wheel chair, the remaining labor shift into a lower gear.
Rereading the post, you must have a small crew, 20K/month is 2 guys and a helper, this could be a rope and pulley job... 4000 lbs of brick a day and 3000 mortar, & 1000 lbs of scaffold is 20 fifty pound lifts an hour.... or build it scaffold high with what you own, then call in the rented scaffold and lift, on a tight lot get the smallest machine you can that''ll work
I've never had a GC I'd trust with my actual per M cost, I just bid the building(work), I've had to quit giving the local low lives even my estimates of the Units prequired, just a $ number for materials and $ for labor,(they'd use my #s and the I'll lay those brick 500.00 cheaper mason) How can letting the GC in on your pricing ever end well for you? Every wall is different, time of year is HUGE factor for me for labor cost/unit, and still the locals allways procrasinate on booking the fall work every year
I found I could insure rentals cheaper than the Rental company at ~4 months rent of ANY mobile equipment, mini-hoe,skidder,& lift, but just one machine at a time.
On commercial jobs tire damage can add up in a hurry, calcium filled tires really limit your choices of service providers here, and really slow service possible during farming season.
A. Could you do the Job with out the lift and or the rented scaffold? I. e. the renting the equipent ought to LOWER the per brick $ for YOU.... At 22 working days a month( days only with out rain, snow, wind and or to hot) max, you're north of ~15 dollars and hour and you are "losing" the person who is camping out on the lift, For small crews the machine can become an early retirement option while drawing pay... Just as stupid is not using it when it'd pay because of fuel costs... You might want to consider actually doubling down and hiring(Assign an apprentice mason? retired/partially disabled laborer/operator part time) a person to operate the machine on days you're building/moving scaffold to keep laying...
As an employee unfortunately, a majority of work places, the more power equipement has lead to less tending behind the hop as the "operator(s)" does his bus route on his ten ton wheel chair, the remaining labor shift into a lower gear.
Rereading the post, you must have a small crew, 20K/month is 2 guys and a helper, this could be a rope and pulley job... 4000 lbs of brick a day and 3000 mortar, & 1000 lbs of scaffold is 20 fifty pound lifts an hour.... or build it scaffold high with what you own, then call in the rented scaffold and lift, on a tight lot get the smallest machine you can that''ll work
I've never had a GC I'd trust with my actual per M cost, I just bid the building(work), I've had to quit giving the local low lives even my estimates of the Units prequired, just a $ number for materials and $ for labor,(they'd use my #s and the I'll lay those brick 500.00 cheaper mason) How can letting the GC in on your pricing ever end well for you? Every wall is different, time of year is HUGE factor for me for labor cost/unit, and still the locals allways procrasinate on booking the fall work every year
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I would give him a price per 1000 no problem, with a set up fee if you have to pull off and come back. figure a 1/2 a day or whatnot.
Even if you owned the lull you would price it in per job, so just figure it in. I would be hard pressed to be able to charge for rented scaffolding unless it was a unique situation. You may have to eat that as you should have it.
Even if you owned the lull you would price it in per job, so just figure it in. I would be hard pressed to be able to charge for rented scaffolding unless it was a unique situation. You may have to eat that as you should have it.
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